Warren with the anti-corporate spiel, plays to a HBC audience, yet again a total loser in a general election. The "occupy wallstreet" campaign might get a decent chunk of Democratic primary voters but it's not going to go well against Trump.
Yang finally gets asked a question... about China. Sure, the Asian guy is the first person you want to talk to on that, right? Yeesh... still in last in total speaking time by a large margin.
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Booker's getting a lot of time and honestly, he's doing a great job with it. Great little speech on diplomacy.
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Buttigieg proposes a three year sunset clause on any overseas military action. That seems like a good soundbite and a terrible idea in terms of military strategy.
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A lot of pandering to the crowd going on. This has to be by far the most the acronym "HBCU" has ever been used in any televised political "thing" ever.
Keeping track of the speaking time, Warren leading, Biden and Sanders in second and third pretty similar, then Harris and Buttigieg. So the top 5 are in the top 5. Yang still in last.
The moderators have been absolutely awful in this debate. There has been no effort to enforce speaking times and Warren and Harris have figured that out, filibustering at length after they're being asked to stop.
... Biden just blew it big time on that answer. What the hell was that.
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A bunch of the audience, or protestors, or someone, just interrupted Biden's closing statement to chant.... something. I have no idea what they were there for. They were yelling inaudibly.
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So social media is showing video of Biden’s dentures almost flying out of his mouth. That ain’t going to help him. Ask Dukakis what a bad photo or video can do.
Basically, that was a failure. Candidates ran roughshod over the moderators and spoke way longer than they were supposed to, the questions were largely a bunch of "dance for us", non-policy driven TV, the answers were standard empty platitudes, sound bites and anecdotes, and they talked more or less not at all about jobs and the economy, other than a couple of pivots from questions not directly about jobs and the economy. And Biden, who started well, really fell apart as the thing went on, which (along with the protestors interrupting him) is probably 90% of what people will talk about following tonight.
I'm sure this debate helped some candidates' chances to get the nomination and hurt others', but it sure as hell didn't do anything for the Democrats' chances of beating Trump.
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My impression of the debate more or less matches up with ^ that. I think Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke and Yang did well. Bernie was so-so. Biden started off okay but trailed off badly. I think with each debate his decline and existing weaknesses are getting exposed more and more. I think it's time for Klobuchar and Castro to step aside with Harris not far behind. I thought Booker did quite well and he seems to be building momentum as the potential centrist to challenge Biden against the progressives.
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I think Biden is the most practical candidate, but not one that will energize voters.
I think Sanders, and to a lesser extent Warren, will energize the right against them and put Trump back in for another 4 years.
I'd be all over a Booker/Buttigieg ticket. Those are two men who are what this country sorely needs: Men of character and leadership. It doesn't hurt that they're quite smart and passionate as well. That's what Obama was (perhaps quite a bit smarter though), and that's what people responded to in the general election.
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Basically, that was a failure. Candidates ran roughshod over the moderators and spoke way longer than they were supposed to, the questions were largely a bunch of "dance for us", non-policy driven TV, the answers were standard empty platitudes, sound bites and anecdotes, and they talked more or less not at all about jobs and the economy, other than a couple of pivots from questions not directly about jobs and the economy. And Biden, who started well, really fell apart as the thing went on, which (along with the protestors interrupting him) is probably 90% of what people will talk about following tonight.
I'm sure this debate helped some candidates' chances to get the nomination and hurt others', but it sure as hell didn't do anything for the Democrats' chances of beating Trump.
Is this really the point of the primary season debates though? The point of these debates is to appeal to Democratic voters, and to distinguish oneself from the other Democratic candidates, all of whom the primary electorate views as clearly superior to Trump. The biggest “highlights” of the 2016 GOP Primary debates were Trump calling his opponents names (Lyin’ Ted, Little Marco, etc.) and Trump’s “debate” with Rubio about whether his hand size means he has a small dick. It’s still only September 2019 and if the Democratic candidate cannot articulate his or her case vs. Trump in the several months long general election campaign that will come next year, then that candidate will lose.
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I think Biden is the most practical candidate, but not one that will energize voters.
I think on it's face that's true. But Biden continues to stumble against a fairly friendly field. Half the time I don't understand what he's trying to say and he just rambles until he trails off. I think once he's under the bright lights one-on-one with Trump he'll be made to look a weak, old fool (to Trump's strong, old fool).
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I think Sanders, and to a lesser extent Warren, will energize the right against them and put Trump back in for another 4 years.
That may be true. However, a lot of polls show that on the actual issues themselves a majority of Americans agree with a majority of the progressive positions. I suspect the packaging and labeling may be enough to dissade some of 'middle' America to vote for Bernie or Warren: Bernie as the crazy socialist and Warren as the SJW anti-corporatist.
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I'd be all over a Booker/Buttigieg ticket. Those are two men who are what this country sorely needs: Men of character and leadership. It doesn't hurt that they're quite smart and passionate as well. That's what Obama was (perhaps quite a bit smarter though), and that's what people responded to in the general election.
That would certainly be better than what they have now. I still have reservations about Booker's ties to corporate America and Buttigieg's inexperience.
I think Warren is likely best suited for the job out of the bunch of them. But she does have a bit of a messaging issue.
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Biden actually rambles in a very similar speech pattern to Trump. He got less coherent as the night went on. What he is saying makes more sense, of course.
I liked Booker and Buttigieg the most last night.
Yang is quite cogent in what he's saying. I like how's he's brought automation challenges as an issue to the national stage.
Warren was just OK
Bernie was Bernie
Beto's AR-15 line was good
Harris is trailing off. It's hard to get inspired or feel confidence in her leadership abilities. It just feels like she is choosing her words so carefully (like the Lawyer she is).
Castro was meh
Klobuchar was meh
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At the beginning I thought that Biden was a shoe-in for the nomination. Then I listen to him talk and answer questions and I just can't see it anymore. He just...rambles incoherently a lot of the time and I'm really concerned that it will get worse if he gets the nomination.
I think Warren is going to be the better choice now.
Booker was excellent, I thought he won the thing. I don't think it matters, though, he's pretty much cooked.
Buttigieg, for me, is polished and presents himself well but doesn't really say much of any substance. It's all vague, high-level platitudes about coming together. He delivers all of it well and makes you believe he believes it, it's just that I'm not at all clear on what he believes in practice. Dude doesn't seem to have any actual policy positions.
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Yang is quite cogent in what he's saying. I like how's he's brought automation challenges as an issue to the national stage.
He's concise and to the point. I feel like he accomplished his goal right off the bat and the rest of it was sort of unimportant in the grand scheme of things, because he got his website traffic and his mailing list growth from the stunt (if you want to call it that) in the opening. But that concise and to the point thing works a lot better on CNN, where you have to be like that, than it does in a debate, where despite a 1:15 time clock most of the candidates were filibustering and giving 2-3 minute answers just to keep their face on screen for longer. He should have drawn out a few answers and pivoted to his strengths more.
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Warren was just OK
Bernie was Bernie
I thought Warren had her moments, the issue is they both go completely off the rails for me when they start their "let's wage war on corporations and rich people" schtick. That plays to a coastal college campus, not to the midwest. It just sounds like grievance and class warfare to the electorate at large and they're not going to be on board.
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Beto's AR-15 line was good
I mean, he performed okay, but he's an afterthought yet again. And that despite proposing things that are complete nonsense from a practical standpoint.
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Harris is trailing off. It's hard to get inspired or feel confidence in her leadership abilities. It just feels like she is choosing her words so carefully (like the Lawyer she is).
Honestly, I thought she was desperately trying to seem personally likable after what Tulsi Gabbard did to her last time, and she just came off stilted. At least several times, I was thinking, did she throw back a bottle of wine before she got up there? Just odd.
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Castro was meh
Castro was an attack dog. He was trying to get attention and I think it backfired, I think people probably liked Biden better after that exchange.
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Klobuchar was meh
Came across as pretty unlikable. I think she's a pretty good candidate if you just look at her capabilities, but she just doesn't have the charisma. Could be a good VP pick for someone like Mayor Pete, if Mayor Pete won, which he won't.
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