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Old 07-04-2022, 06:28 AM   #81
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Hilariously enough the Warriors can offer probably the ideal package of lots of picks and young guys. I don't see how Siakam and OG gets it done, unless there is a third team involved to take Siakam and/or OG for more picks for the Nets. Siakam is useless to a team entering a full rebuild, plus they'd owe him a max soon and their cap is still a mess.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:30 AM   #82
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Do NBA players under contracts have any leverage in where they could be traded?
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:32 AM   #83
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Siakam made all NBA 3rd team this year . And the Raptors are one of the few teams with all their 1sts going forward

You could easily argue Siakam is the best player being offered on the market . Add in the picks and another good young player itís a pretty great package
You make great points but personally I donít see Siakam more than a 2nd option at best on a championship team. Very much a Demar type player in not leading your team night in and out; or being very inconsistent when itís a pressure situation. It may be compelling on paper but I think teams are wise to his mental lapses. Does he have higher potential, yes. Same with OG.

Anyway, I also think Flynn is the first Raptor gone in any deal. No chance he returns.
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You make great points but personally I don’t see Siakam more than a 2nd option at best on a championship team. Very much a Demar type player in not leading your team night in and out; or being very inconsistent when it’s a pressure situation. It may be compelling on paper but I think teams are wise to his mental lapses. Does he have higher potential, yes. Same with OG.

Anyway, I also think Flynn is the first Raptor gone in any deal. No chance he returns.
Yeah. I love P, but he isn’t a #1 option on a championship winning team. Scottie has a higher chance of becoming that type of player than Pascal does at this point in Pascal’s career. But that’s obviously has yet to be seen
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Old 07-04-2022, 09:46 AM   #85
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It's weird that the market for KD is as cool as it is, but I think that's because it came out of nowhere. Usually teams are getting an inkling that a guy's going to be available months in advance, and would be getting trade assets, three-way-deal options all lined up. It seems like this legitimately came out of nowhere, and most teams are just throwing their hands up in the air and saying they're out. The fact that the Raptors are one of the few teams involved speaks to how well-prepared the Raptors FO is. They've kept the roster full of useful, tradeable contracts for a reason.

There's some interesting timing that's going to come into play in the next couple days: On the 6th, the timer starts on any RFAs who sign an offer sheet for their original team to match. There's speculation that the Pacers are looking at signing Ayton to a max offer sheet, which, if it happened, would mean he couldn't be used in a S&T even if the Suns matched. So there's some incentive for the Suns to get this done before then... but if Ayton's insistent on signing an offer sheet, they don't have options here. But if Ayton wants to get out of Phoenix, the offer sheet isn't necessarily the best way, because it might force Phoenix to match, and then he becomes harder to move this summer. Ayton being out might shrink the trade market so much that Brooklyn just keeps KD and waits for the preseason to see if prices rise.
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Old 07-04-2022, 09:49 AM   #86
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Hilariously enough the Warriors can offer probably the ideal package of lots of picks and young guys. I don't see how Siakam and OG gets it done, unless there is a third team involved to take Siakam and/or OG for more picks for the Nets. Siakam is useless to a team entering a full rebuild, plus they'd owe him a max soon and their cap is still a mess.
Where have the Nets said they were entering a rebuild?

Without their picks I think they will look to maximize the Durant return with a mix of real players and picks , try to get something for Kyrie (or trade for Westbrook and use the expiring contract to go after a FA in offseason) and use the picks for Durant to get more help

The Nets donít have the rights to their 1st rounder for 5 years. Not sure why they would rebuild (per se). Tanking doesnít help them . I think they try to retool and stay competitive
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Yeah. I love P, but he isn’t a #1 option on a championship winning team. Scottie has a higher chance of becoming that type of player than Pascal does at this point in Pascal’s career. But that’s obviously has yet to be seen
But Nets aren’t getting a #1 superstar in the trade from anyone

And they don’t have any of their 1st so tanking isn’t an option/doesn’t benefit them

There are very few teams with a combination of picks and players who can get involved

Siakam just made the third team all NBA and actually showed a real step forward in his game . He isn’t the guy to win you a championship - But his value is very high
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Where have the Nets said they were entering a rebuild?

Without their picks I think they will look to maximize the Durant return with a mix of real players and picks , try to get something for Kyrie (or trade for Westbrook and use the expiring contract to go after a FA in offseason) and use the picks for Durant to get more help

The Nets donít have the rights to their 1st rounder for 5 years. Not sure why they would rebuild (per se). Tanking doesnít help them . I think they try to retool and stay competitive
To stay competitive they have to go deep into the luxury tax. But once you've given up on Durant and Kyrie spending $250 million a season to be capped at 14th best team in the league is supreme idiocy. Their draft pick problems are exactly why they need to maximize draft capital coming back, they need to replenish. Double and tripling down on stupidity is what horrible franchises do, if the Nets are forced to move on here they should just take the bath and start rebuilding. Chasing 14th so you don't give up high lottery picks is how you stay in perpetual mediocrity. It sucks they are going to end up giving up a few lottery picks, but if they chase 14th to avoid that they could end up being the Knicks in the long run, and ain't no one want to be the Knicks. Bottom out, take your medicine, move on.
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Siakam just made the third team all NBA and actually showed a real step forward in his game . He isnít the guy to win you a championship - But his value is very high
Only to a contender. But his value to a team chasing 14th place is negative when you consider you'll have to pay him a max in two years, and that he'll be 30 when you give him that max.
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To stay competitive they have to go deep into the luxury tax. But once you've given up on Durant and Kyrie spending $250 million a season to be capped at 14th best team in the league is supreme idiocy. Their draft pick problems are exactly why they need to maximize draft capital coming back, they need to replenish. Double and tripling down on stupidity is what horrible franchises do, if the Nets are forced to move on here they should just take the bath and start rebuilding. Chasing 14th so you don't give up high lottery picks is how you stay in perpetual mediocrity. It sucks they are going to end up giving up a few lottery picks, but if they chase 14th to avoid that they could end up being the Knicks in the long run, and ain't no one want to be the Knicks. Bottom out, take your medicine, move on.
They'll tank for a year maybe.. but they have an uber rich owner and will get a bazillion picks and be back chasing free agents after a year.
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