View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from the following
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Agostino
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0.29% |
Andersson
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0.57% |
Arnold
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0.29% |
Billins
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0% |
Bruce
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0.29% |
Carroll
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Culkin
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Deblouw
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Elson
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Gilmour
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Granlund
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6.32% |
Grant
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Harrison
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0.29% |
Hathaway
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Hickey
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9.20% |
Jankowski
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7.47% |
Kanzig
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0% |
Karnaukhov
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Klimchuk
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4.89% |
Kulak
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Kylington
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20 |
5.75% |
Mangiapane
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0% |
McDonald
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Morrison
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0.29% |
Ollas Mattsson
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Ortio
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218 |
62.64% |
Rafikov
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0.29% |
Sieloff
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Smith
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0.57% |
Van Brabant
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Wolf
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Wotherspoon
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0.86% |
07-07-2015, 01:46 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I continue to wait for Klimchuk to show me a reason to get more excited about him as a prospect. Still waiting.
Edit: not saying he's crap, just haven't seen enough to justify bumping him up into the top 10 or 12
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Same here. It will be interesting to see how he adapts to the pro game next season. I'm not convinced his game will translate to the NHL level.
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07-07-2015, 01:46 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
How can you call 2013 a deep draft? 2 full seasons and 1 player from the second round has played in the NHL. In 2015 the Flames were able to pick up a sure fire top 2 D-man at the end of the 2nd round.
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Pretty bold to say they got a "sure fire top 2 D-man".
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07-07-2015, 01:47 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
How can you call 2013 a deep draft? 2 full seasons and 1 player from the second round has played in the NHL. In 2015 the Flames were able to pick up a sure fire top 2 D-man at the end of the 2nd round.
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Boy, you sure are all over the place flinging things around. Why just yesterday you say
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15 people on CP think that Kylington is the Flames 4th best prospect (13 thought he was 3rd).
It is very hard to see what they are basing this on.
The coaches in Sweden, that would have a vested interest in scouting him extremely closely, do not see him as one of best 8 under 20 D-men in Sweden.
What would the Swedish coaches have against Kylington that they don't see him like Hakan Loob sees him?
Even Loob is a bit schizophrenic in his evaluation of Kylington
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"I think he could play in the A. I think he could develop a lot there. Because I think what he needs is a little bit of a tougher going," Loob said. If he's playing at a higher level, then he'd be able to grow into it.
followed by the obvious question why was he moved to a lower level in Sweden:
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"We thought maybe that his development was a little too quick for himself. Everybody was expecting him to do great things in every game. We wanted to slow him down a little, and maybe he wanted to rush a little too much," Loob explained. His coaches in the SEL - whose jobs are to win games, not develop prospects - may have gotten impatient with him, and ultimately, the feeling was Kylington would perform better at a lower level
Has there ever been an U20 Swedish D-man drafted in the top 2 rounds that didn't play for the U20 team at the WJC?
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Then today this. Which is it?
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07-07-2015, 01:50 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Guys pretty sure he was being sarcastic about Kylington since he doesn't like him and lots of ppl on this site are fans.
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07-07-2015, 02:00 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automaton 3
Klimchuk is next on my list...
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Yeah, mine too. Just my guess but if anyone is going to surprise like Jooris did last year, Klimchuk would be my choice.
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07-07-2015, 02:01 PM
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#46
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I continue to wait for Klimchuk to show me a reason to get more excited about him as a prospect. Still waiting.
Edit: not saying he's crap, just haven't seen enough to justify bumping him up into the top 10 or 12
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50 points in 33 games with the Wheat Kings, which is a 109 point pace.
High skill level and a very smart player. He has bumped into a few injuries which imo, have kept him a bit under the radar.
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07-07-2015, 03:57 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Boy, you sure are all over the place flinging things around. Why just yesterday you say
Then today this. Which is it?
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I was being sarcastic. No draft is deep enough that you are going to be able to declare a top-prospect at the start of the 3rd round... or even at the start of the second round.
I think that anyone that thinks the 60th pick overall in any draft is one of the best prospects in the Flame organization that has numerous strong prospects is wearing robbie-schremp-beer-googles.
Kylington is a project. From the scouting reports has shown enough holes in his game to scare away a lot of professional hockey scouts from putting their reputation on the line.
When you hear of a prospect that is undersized or an average skater there is hope that he can grow and/or improve his skating or strength with proper coaching. It seems a lot more difficult to teach a player intuitive hockey smarts. It also seems that Kylington has not adapted his game to higher level opponents.. Poor coaching or poor reception of coaching?
Right now it would be disrespectful, IMO, to think that Kylington, is a better prospect than our last years 2nd round picks or Hickey #64 who really had a great year..... MacDonald and Hunter Smith both showed the kind of improvement that would be expected of 2nd round picks.
Were our last year's picks bad picks? Did they regress from what we expected of them last July?
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07-07-2015, 04:31 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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...Granlund really has to be next on people's lists. Kid played like, 48+3 NHL games as a 21 year old.
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07-07-2015, 04:38 PM
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#49
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I continue to wait for Klimchuk to show me a reason to get more excited about him as a prospect. Still waiting.
Edit: not saying he's crap, just haven't seen enough to justify bumping him up into the top 10 or 12
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Just curious, did you watch Klimchuk play, or are you just going by stats and scoresheets?
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07-07-2015, 04:38 PM
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#50
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
...Granlund really has to be next on people's lists. Kid played like, 48+3 NHL games as a 21 year old.
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My voting is more weighed by upside then NHL readiness. So if I think someone has a higher upside then Granlund, even slight, I'll go with the younger guy then more NHL ready.
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07-07-2015, 05:00 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Just curious, did you watch Klimchuk play, or are you just going by stats and scoresheets?
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I never go by stats.
I admittedly haven't seen him play a great deal, but whenever I have, he has been good but has never wowed me.
I am not a hater, I am just saying that I am still waiting for him to show me that he is a top prospect. So far I have only seen 'decent'.
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07-07-2015, 05:00 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Summer 2015 Prospect Ranking - Round 5
I picked ortio. My next group of prospects in no order are granlund, klimchuk, kylington, Anderson, hickey, Morrison,Arnold, jankowski and wotherspoon
Last edited by savardandjokinen; 07-07-2015 at 05:22 PM.
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07-07-2015, 05:21 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Granlund for me is a nice player to have around as depth, but still don't see him securing a spot on this team beyond that role. Still, I've been waiting for him to go away for a while, and he keeps hanging in there...
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07-07-2015, 08:30 PM
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#54
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Red Menace
Kylington for the 4th time...would be Ortio otherwise....
Still believe Kylington and the 2 goalies should have been selected before any of the forwards (outside of Sam of course)
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I go with potential and upside, so Kylington for me last couple of rounds as well as much as I like Ortio & Granlund.
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07-07-2015, 09:22 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Yeah not sure who I'm going for #6, I suppose I could do Granlund but meh... excitement level not really that high for him..
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07-07-2015, 09:46 PM
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#56
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
...Right now it would be disrespectful, IMO, to think that Kylington, is a better prospect than our last years 2nd round picks or Hickey #64 who really had a great year..... MacDonald and Hunter Smith both showed the kind of improvement that would be expected of 2nd round picks.
Were our last year's picks bad picks? Did they regress from what we expected of them last July?
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Not that any of the players you mentioned are "bad picks," but I would hope that even you, Ricardo would somehow recognise that NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE EQUAL DISTRIBUTIONS OF TALENT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
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07-07-2015, 10:48 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Not that any of the players you mentioned are "bad picks," but I would hope that even you, Ricardo would somehow recognise that NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE EQUAL DISTRIBUTIONS OF TALENT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
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So do you think it would be worth while to trade Macdonald , H. Smith and Hickey for Jonas Siegenthaler , Kevin Stenlund, and Julius Nattinen?
You know how being the 2015 draft was so much better than 2014?
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07-07-2015, 10:57 PM
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#58
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Klimchuk here. Often overlooked and not flashy, I think he has as good a chance as anyone on this list. I liked what he did once he was dealt to Brandon, it was good to see him end the regular season well. I see him as an eventual mainstay on the 3rd line, eventually playing a role similar to what I expect out of Frolik.
I thought about Ortio here but ultimately goalies are such a crapshoot, I find it really hard to rank them vs skaters unless they are a high end prospect like Gillies. With him you're looking at one of the top 5 goalie prospects in hockey, it's hard not to get excited about that. Where does Ortio rank? Top 15? Top 25? The only real advantage for Joni is that he's closer to the NHL but that doesn't really factor in with me. I care about ceiling vs likelihood of reaching ceiling.
Not to say Joni won't be great, I obviously can't predict the future. It's just that I'm much more confident of Klimchuk being a successful 3rd liner than I am of Ortio being a top 15 starter. If goalie only turns out to be a backup or even a 1A, I'll take the 3rd liner 10 times out of 10. Goalies are all essentially interchangeable outside the top 10, so if he doesn't attain that status he's essentially nothing special.
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07-08-2015, 07:49 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Klimchuk here. Often overlooked and not flashy, I think he has as good a chance as anyone on this list. I liked what he did once he was dealt to Brandon, it was good to see him end the regular season well. I see him as an eventual mainstay on the 3rd line, eventually playing a role similar to what I expect out of Frolik.
I thought about Ortio here but ultimately goalies are such a crapshoot, I find it really hard to rank them vs skaters unless they are a high end prospect like Gillies. With him you're looking at one of the top 5 goalie prospects in hockey, it's hard not to get excited about that. Where does Ortio rank? Top 15? Top 25? The only real advantage for Joni is that he's closer to the NHL but that doesn't really factor in with me. I care about ceiling vs likelihood of reaching ceiling.
Not to say Joni won't be great, I obviously can't predict the future. It's just that I'm much more confident of Klimchuk being a successful 3rd liner than I am of Ortio being a top 15 starter. If goalie only turns out to be a backup or even a 1A, I'll take the 3rd liner 10 times out of 10. Goalies are all essentially interchangeable outside the top 10, so if he doesn't attain that status he's essentially nothing special.
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Nice Comparison of Klimchuk to Frolik.
Frolik was #10 overall and as a 19 year with Rimouski 65 pts in 45 games.
Klimchuk put up 80 pts in 60 games as a 19 year old with Regina/Brandon
As a 20 year old Frolik was 21 goals and 45 pts in 79 NHL games with Florida .
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07-08-2015, 08:33 AM
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#60
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Yeah I do feel that no one is thinking about klimchuk, I'll be mad if he's not picked in the next couple rounds. He is a first round pick who's done nothing but improved but since we didn't get to see him this year in the AHL and with guys like ferland getting NHL time, he's fell. Also recency bias will play into a factor with kylington, andersson and Morrison. And don't forget about hickeys breakout year.
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