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Old 11-18-2021, 08:14 AM   #221
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Old 11-18-2021, 08:46 AM   #222
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I meant that if there is a fuel shortage and an issue to transport fuel to the affected areas, that electricity might still be a viable option there... It wasn't meant as an attack.

I think the lowest range Tesla is still around 140km. But the average ones are around 400km on a full charge?
Sorry, that was flippant of me. I have friends in the Saanich area who are indeed on social media trumpeting the virtues of EV, ignorant of the fact that it is mere fortune the power grid was not affected, and that the grid is equally (if not more vulnerable) to outages

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Old 11-18-2021, 08:57 AM   #223
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Well it has been an exceptional source of local produce and meat pretty much for the whole west coast...for almost a century. The growing season is long and I cant imagine having this kind of fertile environment in basically a mountainous region is common without some find of land manipulation.
The agriculture uses make a ton of sense, but residential/commercial less so.

Of course the topography around Vancouver made it inevitable given there is really only one direction for things to grow (two if you count vertically)
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:09 AM   #225
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Huge collection of all the road damage by BC Transport, they'll be adding to it. Some incredible stuff here I haven't seen before.

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Old 11-18-2021, 09:25 AM   #227
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That collection of pictures is incredibly depressing.
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:33 AM   #229
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I'm surprised no one is chest thumping EV in such a scenario. I can't wait to get an EV in a few years to replace the second car. Being able to "fuel up" at home and using it heavily as a commuter car seems pretty awesome.
The next disaster could as easily cause a lengthy power outage and those are the people watching the gas powered vehicles driving around.
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Huge collection of all the road damage by BC Transport, they'll be adding to it. Some incredible stuff here I haven't seen before.
Whoa.. some of those are crazy.
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:43 AM   #231
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At 1:11 that looks like a pipeline...probably not ideal.
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:54 AM   #232
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That spot where the railroad and highway cross - a year to repair? More?
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Old 11-18-2021, 09:54 AM   #233
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#1 and #5 could be closed for a very long time.
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:16 AM   #234
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I wonder how well the newest/upcoming sections east of Golden would hold up to this kind of event? They would be incredibly expensive to rebuild.
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:24 AM   #235
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Hopefully the state of emergency allows them to bypass the normal procurement protocols to get these things fixed more quickly for some sort of traffic setup, but I'm thinking it's still not going to be back to "normal" for years.
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All the talk about not building in a flood plain is misdirected There are numerous settlements built in flood plains across the world, and many in Western Canada. And it's not like other places outside of flood plains are immune to other kinds of natural disasters. A lot of the destruction currently happening is outside of the flood plain, like I am pretty sure the Coquihalla isn't in a flood plain.

There should be limits placed on development and growth in some of these areas, but that is a political issue that opens up a whole can of worms. Modern capitalist society demands constant growth unfortunately. It can't be infinite and eventually things will get to a breaking point, perhaps we are getting close to that.

As a side note, I am a little confused about the hoarding happening on the island. They have been cutoff from the mainland since the last ice age and get their crap through ports anyway.

Edit: Forget the last part I guess. I just clued in that a lot of their resources still come through Vancouver on land before shipping out.
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:35 AM   #237
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I wonder how well the newest/upcoming sections east of Golden would hold up to this kind of event? They would be incredibly expensive to rebuild.
Very Very poorly if anything collapsed, but the cliff face is pretty barren of organic matter iirc, I generally take that road at night (not the greatest idea either! The lack of a reduce speed sign before that corner of death is the actual worst thing on the highway)
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Hopefully the state of emergency allows them to bypass the normal procurement protocols to get these things fixed more quickly for some sort of traffic setup, but I'm thinking it's still not going to be back to "normal" for years.
It will happen for sure. As an example, after the 2013 floods in Alberta, local and provincial governments bypassed most usual procurement methods and worked on an as-needed basis with many contractors and consultants to quickly assess and repair things. I remember being really impressed how smoothly things came together considering the situation.
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As a side note, I am a little confused about the hoarding happening on the island. They have been cutoff from the mainland since the last ice age and get their crap through ports anyway.

Edit: Forget the last part I guess. I just clued in that a lot of their resources still come through Vancouver on land before shipping out.
The gas hoarding is because of how fuel is distributed on Vancouver Island. None of it comes into Victoria by ship; it's all delivered up island and then delivered by truck. So when the highway was closed north of Victoria, people panicked thinking that Victoria was cut off. But as with basically any irrational hoarding, the only real shortage was due to increased demand. The highway is back open for single lane alternating traffic so fuel trucks can still get through.
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I know it is still really early but have there been any preliminary estimates out there on the total cost to rebuild the infrastructure in BC?
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