[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Riding shotgun to Gaudreau and Monahan may be a welcome change of scenery for young Elias

looks like that's the plan, at least initially.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1010620093590458368

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Literally everything in this post is speculation/rumour.

Typically when fans/media go to these lengths to justify trades, it's to justify losing a trade - just like the Boston media did in 2015.

No it isn't.

He missed media day and certainly took undisciplined penalties. Just facts.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hanifin has always been thought of as an absolute stud. Ranked top 3-5 in his draft year. Made the nhl at age 18. Skates like the wind.

Wind > Deer??

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1010615800963612672

When I read this I think Tre is saying other players on the team have given Tre dirt on Hamilton's off-ice lifestyle and perhaps indications of his attitude or outlook on life. The reason he won't divulge information is that he doesn't want his players to feel they can't trust him with things they tell him in confidence.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No it isn't.

He missed media day and certainly took undisciplined penalties. Just facts.

Yeah but media day is just a bunch of reporters asking cliche'd questions anyway. The media is this town is just still super salty about it.

Kipper did the same thing btw.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This is where we hope Brodano is still a thing that can work, with Brodie on the right side. Until we can get hanifin settled in here.

This might not be the key to the whole deal but it is a huge factor

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think Valimaki is a clear whole tier ahead of Fox/Andersson/Kylington. Valimaki is a stud. Fox IMO is more likely to be a PP specialist with his size and skating. Valimaki has top pairing potential. There’s no chance Fox was our top prospect, he’s been overhyped on here by a few ppl.

I’ve always been much more worried about Fox signing than Gaudreau/Janko.

Fox’s concern about his competition on the Flames was most concerning to me. I’d prefer players who will earn their spot not engineer it.

[flylock shox]

As others have alluded to, this trade feels like a situation where the Flames had already decided Fox and Hamilton should be moved on, and Treliving zeroed in on trades that would allow Calgary to replace Hamilton's role. With Peters' insight, Hanifin became the main target for this, and Lindholm was a good secondary piece but the Flames needed to add more to pry him out of Carolina. In that sense, it seems Ferland was the most likely "throw in" or rather the piece that got the deal done.


My first impressions of this were that this is a wretched overpayment by Calgary, but I have a feeling Hanifin - who is still maturing - will prove a good replacement for Hamilton (whose game had its warts to go along with his obvious talents).



Going forward a young core of Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Valimaki, isn't too bad. Still need a sniper in there though.



I'll reserve judgment on this one until the contracts are signed.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I got absolutely hosed for calling it 50/50 he would sign.

To be fair, people were arguing your perceived misuse of the term 50/50.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He wasn't a zero asset value for us. That's like saying a dollar has zero value if you don't intend to spend it.

Sorry, poorly worded on my part. Of course he had value in a trade, I meant he was zero value to the Flames uniform as he wasn't coming. Basically either you trade him or you don't have him.

[jg13]

Gaudreau - 24
Monahan - 23
Lindholm - 23
Jankowski - 23
Hanifin - 21
Andersson - 21
Tkachuk - 20
Valimaki - 19

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hanifin > Hamilton
Lindholm > Ferland

Fox isn't a throw in, he balances things out.

If he turns into less than a top 4 defender this is a clear and decisive flames win.

Hanifan is a bit different then Hamilton, he's not as good offensively, but he's pretty well rounded for a 21 year old defenseman, I think he's also more willing to engage physically, so it changes the dynamic.


Lindholm, I'm unsure on, he's probably a Monahan light, but a bit better of a playmaker.


Fox, I think probably didn't like what was in front of him and indicated that he might not sign here.


Here's the bottom line though


Hamilton - Core player
Ferland - Accessory player
Fox - Maybe an unwilling prospect


Lindhom - Core
Hanifan - Core.


I don't think this trade is as bad or needs as much dramatic, back of the hands forehead histrionics as are being presented.


At the end of the day also, I believe that this trade is about culture. This team gets two young core players for a good prospect a very good core top pairing dman and a maddenly inconsistent Ferland.


On the contract front, this gives Calgary two more RFA's to deal with. They're sitting at about 55 million in cap space, I would expect that Lindholm will probably be looking at 5.5 and Hanifan probably the same, which would put Calgary at $65 million with their main RFA being Janks, Shore and Hathaway (Bleah)


The Flames also became faster up front and added something they needed which is offensive depth.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'll miss Ferland too. I think they're probably selling high on him and he'd settle in as a middle 6 winger, but he seemed like such a pain to play against

In my opinion Ferland would be a great depth guy to have on the team. The situation in Calgary had him playing the wrong role and essentially he got "Oiler-ed." He never really should have been playing a top line role with Johnny and Monahan but the Flames really had no other option. There were too many demands on him. He did manage to produce some decent numbers but no one should have really expected him to be a 40 plus point guy playing with all-stars.

His role is bottom six, maybe second line, with the occasional opportunity to be PP2. The Flames needed to stick to utilizing him as an aggressor and agitator like we saw at the beginning of his career. This is why I would have preferred to keep Ferland because when he is doing his job properly he is a real strong player.

If any player was going to be part of this trade it should have been Bennett instead of Ferland. Maybe Carolina had/has no interest in Bennett.

[TheScorpion]

To me, the Flames need a more potent offense. Elias Lindholm doesn't scream "potent" to me. He's a guy who I'd love to play on the second line unless the Flames got a guy like van Riemsdyk to play on the left side to shift Tkachuk to the right.

[Icon]

The more I think about this trade the more I like it. I think the upgrade to Lindholm from Ferland is understated so far.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sorry, poorly worded on my part. Of course he had value in a trade, I meant he was zero value to the Flames uniform as he wasn't coming. Basically either you trade him or you don't have him.

They absolutely should have traded him, just not as an addition to this deal. It's too much. His value is probably a 2nd if traded this summer and a 3rd/4th next year. Since it was clearly indicated to Treliving that he wasn't signing, you go for that 2nd. If that's what Carolina required to get this deal done, then you walk and find something else.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Fox’s concern about his competition on the Flames was most concerning to me. I’d prefer players who will earn their spot not engineer it.

That's the most Erixon like thing about him.

[Tron_fdc]

I really like the players we got.

I really don't like what we gave up.

I really hope it works out.

I'm off to Costco to grab a hot dog to feel better.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hanifin is better than Hamilton RIGHT NOW.

Come at me.

I don't agree with you. But I will say this: it's debatable. And it's a hell of a lot closer than most Flames fans are suggesting in this thread.

Hanifin is a better skater, and I think he sees the ice better. He is young, and still being sheltered defensively, but Hamilton drives me crazy defensively sometimes.

Hamilton has the great shot. But I don't think he has a complete game.

Hanifin's game is far more complete at 21 than Hamilton's was (and maybe is right now).

I think Hanifin has more upside and will be a more complete player. And I don't think it will be long before people are suggesting that he has passed Hamilton as a player.

But I can't agree that he is better already.

[CaptainCrunch]

add on, after the Flames sign these two and the rest of their free agents that they want to keep, they'll probably be at about $10 or 11 million in cap space to find a sniper.