Cannabis is legal

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Dion

‘A smart idea’: Edmonton nine-year-old finds eager buyers for Girl Guide cookies among cannabis crowd







https://calgaryherald.com/cannabis/e...b-47dfd809d1ef

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Brilliant marketing idea to take advantage of the cannabis rush.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/nine-y...d_app8cKuJeiG4

Swing...Miss

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Swing...Miss

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I was chatting with someone today who said Canada didn't go far enough and should legalize all drugs.

he doesn't believe the majority of drugs of any type are dangerous if used responsibly, and would be much better for everyone if their contents were regulated. his examples were cocaine and synthetic drugs, specifically ecstasy and acid.

what do you think? is this just the start? what drug is next in the fight to be legalized?

Just goes to show that pot legislation is a gateway law.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I'm not sure how I feel about legalizing everything.

I am. Please don’t.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I am. Please don’t.

I don’t think he’s the one making the decision, but there’s certainly enough factors that anyone who is sure one way or another at this time is probably not considering enough of them.

[Wormius]

What I read was that he was sure how he felt about all drugs being legalized, and he doesn't want them to be.

[iggy_oi]

I don’t think there is much to gain from legalizing hard drugs, but in my opinion the decriminalization of hard drugs would be a good step in dealing with addiction issues. Invest in treatment rather than incarceration.

[CliffFletcher]

We can't legalize hard drugs until we, as a society, are okay with standing by and letting people commit suicide.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We can't legalize hard drugs until we, as a society, are okay with standing by and letting people commit suicide.

Medically assisted suicide is legal now.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We can't legalize hard drugs until we, as a society, are okay with standing by and letting people commit suicide.

Just to play devils advocate,

We are standing by and letting people commit suicide by not offering a safe alternative to street drugs.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We can't legalize hard drugs until we, as a society, are okay with standing by and letting people commit suicide.

But booze is already legal?

Alcohol Contributes To 2.8 Million Deaths A Year Worldwide - WHO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/alcoh...aths-1.4833011

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Just to play devils advocate,

We are standing by and letting people commit suicide by not offering a safe alternative to street drugs.

There are already safe alternatives available. But they don't get you as high, so users seek out the more potent street drugs. Anything safe enough not to kill you won't get you high enough to satisfy the people who desperately want to get wrecked.

Let's turn this around - why do we have any regulations around drugs? Why can't I buy codeine, Tylenol 4s, or percocet at a convenience store?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There are already safe alternatives available. But they don't get you as high, so users seek out the more potent street drugs. Anything safe enough not to kill you won't get you high enough to satisfy the people who desperately want to get wrecked.

Let's turn this around - why do we have any regulations around drugs? Why can't I buy codeine, Tylenol 4s, or percocet at a convenience store?

You ever stop to think why people want to get wrecked?

No one who looks at that life from the outside are envious.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

But booze is already legal?

Alcohol Contributes To 2.8 Million Deaths A Year Worldwide - WHO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/alcoh...aths-1.4833011

If anyone tried to sell a brand of alcohol that killed you dead if you poured an extra 1/2 ounce into a highball, I'm confident it would be removed from distribution immediately.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If anyone tried to sell a brand of alcohol that killed you dead if you poured an extra 1/2 ounce into a highball, I'm confident it would be removed from distribution immediately.

Better that it kills you and fractures your family slowly I suppose. At least then we can ignore it and pretend it's not a problem.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There are already safe alternatives available. But they don't get you as high, so users seek out the more potent street drugs. Anything safe enough not to kill you won't get you high enough to satisfy the people who desperately want to get wrecked.

Let's turn this around - why do we have any regulations around drugs? Why can't I buy codeine, Tylenol 4s, or percocet at a convenience store?

It is difficult avoid any arguments over addiction psychology.

The highlighted part is very interesting to me. The general argument is that regulation stems from a need to keep the public safe. Let's call it public health. Yet, other goods which endanger public health are not so carefully regulated as drugs. High salt, fat, and sugar foods are easily accessible and marketable to the vulnerable, the obese ( addicts) and children (those who lack the judgment to avoid addiction). Arguably these high fat salt and sugar foods are not utilitarian outside of their role in the economy, and the emotional response one gets from using them. Indeed, There is not really a purpose for them except for self medication.

So why are codine, T4s or other opiets, which are arguably utilitarian both economically and physiologically, treated the same way. Well because it seems that they are a greater threat to public health, primarily by effecting brain function.

So what about street drugs, they are not utilitarian, or are they? they have great economic power, moreover their development was initially for pharmaceutical reasons, but now they are only used for emotional purposes. That said like these other goods, they impinge on public health. Still, they arguably cost the health care system less than high fat, sugar and salt foods.

The difference between these coping mechanisms is more abstract than we would like to think.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Better that it kills you and fractures your family slowly I suppose. At least then we can ignore it and pretend it's not a problem.

Who ignores alcohol and pretends it's not a problem?

Your argument seems to be that because alcohol can be addictive and dangerous, and it's legal, we should make everything legal. Heroin, coke, fentanyl, meth. Because otherwise we're hypocrites.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Who ignores alcohol and pretends it's not a problem?

Your argument seems to be that because alcohol can be addictive and dangerous, and it's legal, we should make everything legal. Heroin, coke, fentanyl, meth. Because otherwise we're hypocrites.

Well, yeah.

Do we think 2.8 million will die yearly if we have regulated, controlled and legalized access to the drugs you noted above? This following of course more money for addiction counselling, police resources for eliminating impure products, and public education.

Is the only thing stopping you from doing heroin the legality of it?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Well, yeah.

Do we think 2.8 million will die yearly if we have regulated, controlled and legalized access to the drugs you noted above? This following of course more money for addiction counselling, police resources for eliminating impure products, and public education.

Is the only thing stopping you from doing heroin the legality of it?

Right, everything should be legal. That makes tons of sense!

If everything is okay then we could save a lot of money on the legal process.

Why has nobody thought of this before?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If anyone tried to sell a brand of alcohol that killed you dead if you poured an extra 1/2 ounce into a highball, I'm confident it would be removed from distribution immediately.

During prohibition (1916- 1923) people were making their own booze and it was much more dangerous because it had much greater alcohol content. After legalization alcohol percentage was regulated and enforced, the black market and home production disappeared. Regulation reduced some of the risk factors associated with the drug that many were using regardless of its legality.