These vaccines are not going to prevent Covid infection in the long term, so acting as such and having government freak out and shutter society over positive cases is too heavy handed to be sustainable with close to 80% of our country vaccinated. I know I won't be rushing out for a 4th, 5th or 6th shot every 6 months unless there are hard figures supporting the need to do so. I can certainly get behind an annual fall booster and suspect most people would be the same.
I've still yet to hear of any health system being absolutely crippled by Omicron, in fact there are countries with very poor vaccine uptake already saying the peak has passed and even the UK is starting to report hospitalizations are not falling in line with the rise in positive cases either. Hopefully this turns out to be a huge factor in showing that it's ok to have positive cases if we can rely on an annual booster to largely prevent any severe outcomes that we saw earlier in the pandemic.
This was today from the UK, froma guy who knows what he is tlaknig about:
I think he's talking about the theoretical people you're talking about, not you.
"Shouted down"? I dunno, relax?
Is there no room for discussion? I dunno, you got pretty defensive over a pretty salient point that those with diabetes get jabbed every day. You be the judge of whether there is room for discussion, I guess.
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Dude, you said something completely asinine. If I didn't know your background, and know you were a like minded individual and educated I would have thought you were one of the sign carrying imbeciles on the corner of Elbow and 4th last night.
Get the booster, continue to get the booster, its literally the only way out of this.
Dude, you said something completely asinine. If I didn't know your background, and know you were a like minded individual and educated I would have thought you were one of the sign carrying imbeciles on the corner of Elbow and 4th last night.
Get the booster, continue to get the booster, its literally the only way out of this.
What’s asinine about wondering whether people will be as willing to get the boosters? Frankly, people ought to be quite concerned about that because we saw the first time around that a lack of uptake is going to lead to ongoing issues for the rest of us.
The boy and I have a tripped planed to see the Flames v Canucks and then the 7's at the end of Feb.
I'm a but concerned.
Well hopefully this blows over, and is less severe. It sounds like BC is keeping public events to 50% capacity, instead of just canceling them....not sure how that work with already sold events. A lottery system to see who still gets to go?
What’s asinine about wondering whether people will be as willing to get the boosters? Frankly, people ought to be quite concerned about that because we saw the first time around that a lack of uptake is going to lead to ongoing issues for the rest of us.
Whats asinine is you saying "that starts to get pretty uncomfortable for me." when that is something that is fairly easy to do at any pharmacy or AHS location when you compare it to the alternative. The alternative being closed businesses, cancelled life saving treatments and surgeries, and general restrictions to daily life. The fact that you said its 'uncomfortable' to get a simple poke in the arm every 6 - 8 months is asinine when comparing the alternatives.
This isn't about other people, its the fact you said 'uncomfortable for me'. You changed your response to be the 'general population', which I would give the same answer to, but was replying directly to you.
Pretty disheartening for me. I had just gotten back to full health after actually having covid. I'm vaxed, have natural immunity, and no close contact with vulnerable people.
Family gatherings over the holiday are almost certainly going to be by far the largest vector of spread...but no new restrictions there. This is literally going to do nothing to stop the massive amount of Omicron spread that is going to occur.
They also closed "bars", which already have rules in place against any kind of mingling, that essentially makes them restaurants, but actual restaurants remain open.
Anyways, hopefully Omicron turns out to be far less lethal than other strains, and this leads to the end of all of this.
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553 Cases on December 16 - 9,700 tests, 5.5% positivity 627 Cases on December 17 - 10,063 tests, 6.2% positivity 721 Cases on December 18 - 8,710 tests, 8.3% positivity 577 Cases on December 19 - 6,504 tests, 8.9% positivity 786 Cases on December 20 - 7305 tests, 10.8% positivity
Surprised the test number dropped, I heard they were swamped...
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Whats asinine is you saying "that starts to get pretty uncomfortable for me." when that is something that is fairly easy to do at any pharmacy or AHS location when you compare it to the alternative. The alternative being closed businesses, cancelled life saving treatments and surgeries, and general restrictions to daily life. The fact that you said its 'uncomfortable' to get a simple poke in the arm every 6 - 8 months is asinine when comparing the alternatives.
This isn't about other people, its the fact you said 'uncomfortable for me'. You changed your response to be the 'general population', which I would gave the same answer to, but was replying directly to you.
Booster uptake is going to less than the 2nd dose uptake. Governments already know this.
We can assume that 4th shot and onward uptake will be even less.
Now we are seeing a lot of breakthrough cases with Omicron. 76% of the positive tests in Manitoba today were from fully vaccinated people. 43% of active hospitalizations are fully vaccinated people. Yes I know that if most of the people are vaccinated, it means most of the positive tests will be vaccinated people. But the hospitalization rates are concerning, and public health needs to address that properly.
These are things that people are wondering about, and I don't get why everyone gets jumped on for asking about it. Everyone is concerned. Questions are going to be asked. No need to jump on everyone. Slava is not an anti-vaxxer. Jeepers.
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Whats asinine is you saying "that starts to get pretty uncomfortable for me." when that is something that is fairly easy to do at any pharmacy or AHS location when you compare it to the alternative. The alternative being closed businesses, cancelled life saving treatments and surgeries, and general restrictions to daily life. The fact that you said its 'uncomfortable' to get a simple poke in the arm every 6 - 8 months is asinine when comparing the alternatives.
This isn't about other people, its the fact you said 'uncomfortable for me'. You changed your response to be the 'general population', which I would give the same answer to, but was replying directly to you.
Right, the vaccine passport get pretty uncomfortable if we start layering on boosters and other things. I stand by that. I’m not a huge fan with the psychology of “we need to see your papers” every time we want to do things. I’m not exactly alone in that. Like, it’s fine for the time being and as a temporary measure. But the longer this drags on, and frankly with the likely addition of a booster being added, it gets increasingly uncomfortable. I’d feel better about that aspect if there was some discussion of when it could be removed.
And don’t kid yourself, we know the booster and maybe boosters are being added here. We won’t have the uptake needed or wanted, so they’ll have to add the booster to the QR codes to push more people to get that done. If the Pfizer CEO comes out and says we need the 4th (he’s already said this), then I guess we add that there as well. You seem to conflate these concerns with the actual needle though, and it’s really not the issue at all.
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Booster uptake is going to less than the 2nd dose uptake. Governments already know this.
We can assume that 4th shot and onward uptake will be even less.
Now we are seeing a lot of breakthrough cases with Omicron. 76% of the positive tests in Manitoba today were from fully vaccinated people. 43% of active hospitalizations are fully vaccinated people. Yes I know that if most of the people are vaccinated, it means most of the positive tests will be vaccinated people. But the hospitalization rates are concerning, and public health needs to address that properly.
These are things that people are wondering about, and I don't get why everyone gets jumped on for asking about it. Everyone is concerned. Questions are going to be asked. No need to jump on everyone. Slava is not an anti-vaxxer. Jeepers.
Azure where are you getting your hospitalization rates from right now? All I am seeing at the moment across Canada is relatively stable ICU numbers.
