Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Welcome back, slayer.

Didn’t you see though?? He’s just a guy!

[Just a guy]

I agree that it is averaged across the population which is the point to establish what the baseline is. My personal risk I also stated, which is about 2 in 10 million. The risk of catching is the same for basically everyone with the younger ages slightly higher. So, what I hear you saying is that the spike in the 14 days after getting the shot is normal (already established it isn't) and just ignore what is plain to see if you bother to look. Did you look at the link I attached even?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Now you are using false equivalencies. I was comparing virus deaths only. There is an average of 1;25 in a million risk everyday of dying from the virus and 3.1 in a million in the 14 days after getting the shot.

That's a stupid comparison. If you want to compare the risk of something you compare it to the baseline risk:

All-cause mortality risk: 17 per million per day
Within 14 days of a vaccine dose: 3.1 per million per day
Within 28 days after a COVID diagnosis: Approximately 350 per million per day

[Just a guy]

Heavy Jack,
Look at the stats and you will see that the ratios for vaxxed vs unvaxxed cases and deaths is the same at about 1/3 vs 2/3. There is something that happens for hospitalizations and ICU where a large number of elderly are not seeing the hospital nor the ICU, which I would suspect are the people in nursing homes.

What this tells me is that the vax will help ward off the virus, but if tyou get it you are in the same boat as the unvaxxed

[Just a guy]

How is comparing a baseline of virus deaths before and after the shot a stupid comparison? Yes the virus is only part of what can kill you. Got it you win! But my two points are:
1) My personal risk is quite low and I am acting accordingly
2) There are a disproportinate number of deaths in the 14 days after the shot than there are to be expected from the BASELINE!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Heavy Jack,
Look at the stats and you will see that the ratios for vaxxed vs unvaxxed cases and deaths is the same at about 1/3 vs 2/3. There is something that happens for hospitalizations and ICU where a large number of elderly are not seeing the hospital nor the ICU, which I would suspect are the people in nursing homes.

What this tells me is that the vax will help ward off the virus, but if tyou get it you are in the same boat as the unvaxxed

Look, man. You are wrong. You are interpreting the data completely wrong. Yet you think you are correct. You are not. You won't listen, so just stop. I was content to think you were just a little mistaken, but you are either completely out of your depth, or purposefully misrepresenting what is right in front of you. If you can't look at the data and interpret it correctly, don't look at the data. Listen to the experts. Which is quite clearly not you.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

How is comparing a baseline of virus deaths before and after the shot a stupid comparison? Yes the virus is only part of what can kill you. Got it you win! But my two points are:
1) My personal risk is quite low and I am acting accordingly
2) There are a disproportinate number of deaths in the 14 days after the shot than there are to be expected from the BASELINE!

Your #2 is incorrect. You don't understand what you are looking at.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Heavy Jack,
Look at the stats and you will see that the ratios for vaxxed vs unvaxxed cases and deaths is the same at about 1/3 vs 2/3. There is something that happens for hospitalizations and ICU where a large number of elderly are not seeing the hospital nor the ICU, which I would suspect are the people in nursing homes.

What this tells me is that the vax will help ward off the virus, but if tyou get it you are in the same boat as the unvaxxed

Yeah, totally; the risk is basically identical:

COVID deaths per 100K by vaccine status in the last 120 days:

50-59: Unvaccinated: 134; Vaccinated: 1.7
60-69: Unvaccinated: 424; Vaccinated: 6
70-79: Unvaccinated: 1809; Vaccinated: 27
80+: Unvaccinated: 1960; Vaccinated: 132

[Heavy Jack]

Lol if you’re thinking those who’ve gotten the vaccine are in the same boat as those who haven’t than you’re being intentionally obtuse.

[Just a guy]

So you are telling me that the ratio is not the same for cases and deaths for the last 120 days? You are telling me that there aren't more deaths in the elderly that are not seeing the hospital nor the ICU. What I read in todays stats is that there have been 232 deaths in the over 70 and 71 in the ICU. I guess I can't read what is plainly posted on the government website.

[Just a guy]

Heavy Jack,
I didn't say that. What I did say is that after 6 months the death rate returns to about the same. the vax works for a period of time. The data shows that

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Didn’t you see though?? He’s just a guy!

Just waiting for the utterance of “death jab”.

[Heavy Jack]

So then I’ll get a booster shot and hopefully one day the unvaccinated will realize there really is only one way to get on top of this.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Just waiting for the utterance of “death jab”.

lol

[Just a guy]

Fuzz,
You are correct that is the stat they want you to see. As I just stated the vax works for a period of time and that is reflected there. Not disputing that. I could also point out that the vax versus unvaxxed ratio is now about 50/50. the vax is wearing off.

[Just a guy]

Wormius,
Not saying death jab. Just pointing out stats from the AB website and all I am getting is that I am looking at it wrong, when it is simple math. No defence so go to name calling

[Heavy Jack]

Because this virus is being afforded the ability to continue its mutations…jesus like why is this hard to understand?? I’m not looking forward to the day this virus mutates into something more insidious than it’s already been. You’re definitely not being smarter than the virus by simply ‘acting accordingly’ while your out and about (I’m assuming that’s what you meant by that) and chewing on vitamin D tabs and washing those hands vigorously. If you’ve not been convinced that this virus has some staying power but is also something we really don’t want to be flirting with allowing to become stronger than I’m not going to continue trying to convince a brick wall. You’re young, you’ve got your own antibodies! You’ve got this bro!

[Ozy_Flame]

Every generation of vaccine shot is likely to be better, stronger, and more proven than the last. The vaccine also gave me a ton of energy, heightened senses, and more sexual prowess in bed. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want this thing.

I can't wait to get my booster, and continue getting it for a lifetime. I feel much better with it in me and with proper social etiquette, it provides maximum protection.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Fuzz,
You are correct that is the stat they want you to see. As I just stated the vax works for a period of time and that is reflected there. Not disputing that. I could also point out that the vax versus unvaxxed ratio is now about 50/50. the vax is wearing off.

Please stop looking at numbers.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Every generation of vaccine shot is likely to be better, stronger, and more proven than the last. The vaccine also gave me a ton of energy, heightened senses, and more sexual prowess in bed. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want this thing.

I can't wait to get my booster, and continue getting it for a lifetime. I feel much better with it in me and with proper social etiquette, it provides maximum protection.

WOW! I wasn't going to get the booster but now, I think I will. Do you have a person who can go on Joe Rogan and solidify this information for me. They don't need proof, they just need to go on Rogan and say the same thing! Then I'll be 100% convinced!!!

Thanks good sir!