Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: The unnecessary Dumb Dumb 4th wave

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by peter12

I am hearing minor restrictions on gathering size coming into place in BC today. Who knows. I'm okay with something small, but I would be very upset if government pushed us back to conditions like we saw last winter.

We should be renewing the call for booster shots, updating our vaccine passport systems to only allow boosted individuals to participate in public activities, and do everything we can to avoid a full-scale re-shuttering of society again.

It isn't necessary at this point, but shambolic, lazy government action will bring us back there. I just know it.

Get your boosters!

The thing that's bugging me about the booster schedule as it stands right now is that the general population won't be eligible until some time in January despite many people already past 6 months since their second dose.

I guess there's 2 weeks left now in December and perhaps a last minute adjustment to open it up for everyone who received their 2nd shot 6 months ago or longer might be a scheduling nightmare.

[BoLevi]

Are we seeing an increase in ICU admissions that are fully vaccinated?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Are we seeing an increase in ICU admissions that are fully vaccinated?

Can we change the thread title to LAGGING INDICATORS please. This is getting ridiculous.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1470866821037404166


Well then.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1470866821037404166


Well then.

It was absolutely stupid to even think it was a good idea.

[Jay's Beagle]

Yeah this isn’t a big surprise.

I am interested in the rapid tests though.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Can we change the thread title to LAGGING INDICATORS please. This is getting ridiculous.

Let me re-phrase.

Does the data indicate that omicron will lead to a higher rate of hospitalization among the vaccinated?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by peter12

I am hearing minor restrictions on gathering size coming into place in BC today. Who knows. I'm okay with something small, but I would be very upset if government pushed us back to conditions like we saw last winter.

We should be renewing the call for booster shots, updating our vaccine passport systems to only allow boosted individuals to participate in public activities, and do everything we can to avoid a full-scale re-shuttering of society again.

It isn't necessary at this point, but shambolic, lazy government action will bring us back there. I just know it.

Get your boosters!

No changes around gathering sizes in BC as per Dr. Henry's updates today.

[lambeburger]

Premiers having a call with Trudeau at 4PM apparently.

https://twitter.com/brianlilley/stat...Ov2lMgIMA&s=19

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Even that doesn’t compute with me… I haven’t been having indoor gatherings but have been socializing frequently with friends for the majority of the pandemic. Your statements just read unnecessarily exaggerated. “Social activities almost entirely ceased to exist”…. Where?

So you’ve been socializing strictly outdoors?

One of the things the pandemic has exposed is how much people vary in their socialization. For homebodies who get together with people outside their immediate family once a month or so, social distancing measures mean one thing. To those who are accustomed to socializing several times a week, they mean something else entirely.

I’ve slowed down a lot since I was younger, but before covid I still hosted or attended multi-household gatherings in homes three or four times a month. Tabletop gaming, dinner parties, birthdays, BBQs, Thanksgiving/Easter/Mother’s Day etc for our extended families, etc. Involving people from three or four or five households at a time. I also got out for drinks with friends a couple times a month.

And that’s tired, middle-aged me. I can’t imagine how I would have coped with restrictions when I was in my 20s. When I lived with friends and we went out or hosted gatherings 4, 5, 6 times a week. I expect at some point I would have just said #### it, like many in Gen Z are doing now.

Even in highly law-abiding societies like Canada, public compliance will crumble at some point. It might hold out through this variant. Maybe even the one after that. But the variants aren’t going to end, vaccination rates will never reach 100 per cent, and covid is going to become endemic. We need to start talking about what that will look like.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Premiers having a call with Trudeau at 4PM apparently.

https://twitter.com/brianlilley/stat...Ov2lMgIMA&s=19

Good luck with that.

It's time to shift policies away from impacting those that are vaccinated.

[chedder]

^Compliance has already crumbled. Look at the amount of no masks in public, people that say they are following the rules to a 't' in one breath then telling you about their 50 person Christmas house party in the next. Nobody is going to follow the rules this Christmas season.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Leondros

But those are most likely Delta cases. Surely Omnicron couldn't have moved that quick in Manitoba?

It is not because of Omicron.

It is because we are now 2 years into the pandemic, and nobody wants to work in the ICU anymore, and there is a massive shortage of nurses in general.

ICU #s are just now reaching critical levels, but its been a problem for months. The province has just buried their heads in the sand.

"They're at the end of their ability to to redeploy personnel to intensive care. The supply of nurses has gone down considerably since June through resignations, retirements and people just aren't volunteering anymore," he said.

"They're just burned out."

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So you’ve been socializing strictly outdoors?

One of the things the pandemic has exposed is how much people vary in their socialization. For homebodies who get together with people outside their immediate family once a month or so, social distancing measures mean one thing. To those who are accustomed to socializing several times a week, they mean something else entirely.

I’ve slowed down a lot since I was younger, but before covid I still hosted or attended multi-household gatherings in homes three or four times a month. Tabletop gaming, dinner parties, birthdays, BBQs, Thanksgiving/Easter/Mother’s Day etc for our extended families, etc. Involving people from three or four or five households at a time. I also got out for drinks with friends a couple times a month.

And that’s tired, middle-aged me. I can’t imagine how I would have coped with restrictions when I was in my 20s. When I lived with friends and we went out or hosted gatherings 4, 5, 6 times a week. I expect at some point I would have just said #### it, like many in Gen Z are doing now.

Even in law-abiding, high-trust societies like Canada, public compliance will crumble at some point. It might hold out through this variant. Maybe even the one after that. But the variants aren’t going to end, vaccination rates will never reach 100 per cent, and covid is going to become endemic. We need to start talking about what that will look like.

Public compliance has already crumbled with is why governments are so slow to do anything. They don't know what to do.

Well, what they should have done is realize that at the end of the day the health care system needs more resources, but here we are 2 years later and most provinces have less resources than they had with it started. Oh joy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Good luck with that.

It's time to shift policies away from impacting those that are vaccinated.

Does that mean you give no ####s about the vulnerable, who continue to be at great risk?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Does that mean you give no ####s about the vulnerable, who continue to be at great risk?

Well, which vulnerable are you talking about?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Does that mean you give no ####s about the vulnerable, who continue to be at great risk?

I've done enough. It's been two years. Time for the chips to fall. Those who are vulnerable need to take their necessary precautions. The rest of us are moving on.

[burn_this_city]

How stoic of you.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by chedder

^Compliance has already crumbled. Look at the amount of no masks in public, people that say they are following the rules to a 't' in one breath then telling you about their 50 person Christmas house party in the next. Nobody is going to follow the rules this Christmas season.

I'm in this boat. I followed the rules for almost 2 years now, but there doesn't seem to be an end in sight so I'm done. I'll still mask up indoors where required, get my booster shot and ensure my kids get vaccinated when they're eligible, but otherwise I'm living life as normal. I don't give a #### what restrictions are supposedly in place for personal gatherings when I'm still able to sit with thousands of other people to watch sports or see a concert

[chedder]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I've done enough. It's been two years. Time for the chips to fall. Those who are vulnerable need to take their necessary precautions. The rest of us are moving on.

Pretty easy to say but if hospitals get over run and you get in a car accident are you good with dying in the waiting area because there's no room for you in the icu or surgical suite? Not in any way saying that will happen but if it does you'll need to be good with it.