2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stay miles away from OEL unless the Yotes are packaging Chychrun with him.

No ‘unless’!!!!

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Don’t you worry.

Giordano to Seattle.

OEL to Calgary.

#nailedit

This is such a bad idea and you know the Flames will consider it.

Lose Gio for nothing, then spend assets to acquire a declining defenseman! This is such a Flames move to do.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Assuming Toews and Shaw are back (but not Seabrook) they have 13M cap space with a full 23 man roster already signed.

They have a number of RFA's who will earn a bit more than some of those guys, but nothing crazy...with all of them signed it probably works out to ~9M cap space. So assuming they send any salary back, it's fine, and they shed plenty of AAV in the coming years.

I'd imagine at least one of D Strome/Dach/Debrincat would go back, as well as a young RD (Boqvist or Ian Mitchell). It seems CHI has plenty of other young guys on the verge of becoming full time NHLers, too.

Something around
Boqvist 20+Strome 24+Subban/Delia++
Dach 20+Mitchell 22+Subban/Delia++

Shaw has retired.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Unless Toews stays on IR, how does Chicago even afford Eichel?

Just skimmed one article but it involved Toews in some way and Kane.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Assuming Toews and Shaw are back (but not Seabrook) they have 13M cap space with a full 23 man roster already signed.

They have a number of RFA's who will earn a bit more than some of those guys, but nothing crazy...with all of them signed it probably works out to ~9M cap space. So assuming they send any salary back, it's fine, and they shed plenty of AAV in the coming years.

I'd imagine at least one of D Strome/Dach/Debrincat would go back, as well as a young RD (Boqvist or Ian Mitchell). It seems CHI has plenty of other young guys on the verge of becoming full time NHLers, too.

Something around
Boqvist 20+Strome 24+Subban/Delia++
Dach 20+Mitchell 22+Subban/Delia++

Shaw is going to be on permanent LTIR.

Dach has more trade value than all of the other players you list combined. Strome isn’t particularly good, and is terrible when not playing with Kane.


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[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by chedder

Just skimmed one article but it involved Toews in some way and Kane.

Was the article in Disneyland Magazine? Kanes 32 Toews is 33 and and injured or not there's a little matter of 21,000,000 in salaries to account for. I ain't buying what they are selling. In a world where every cap dollar counts. Maybe Chicago wants them some Jeff Skinner along with Eichel!

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Sometimes the options you want aren’t available and you should be looking for the most value you can get. Columbus is probably going to do the same thing with Laine. They would have liked a long term high end piece for Dubois, but it wasn’t available. Laine was.

Tkachuk has tons of trade value to certain teams, but it would just be a bad plan to take him as the centrepiece.

'Best' case scenario is you have Tkachuk and Skinner locked up for $18M for the next 6+ years. Or you're flipping Tkachuk from a position of weakness. Or he gets hurt and you can only get pennies or nothing at all.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Shaw is going to be on permanent LTIR.

Dach has more trade value than all of the other players you list combined. Strome isn’t particularly good, and is terrible when not playing with Kane.


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Of course - I don't think they can get Dach+Boqvist; it's a matter of whether they want to prioritize the blue line for once and how confident they feel in Cozens+Mittelstadt.

Perhaps the simpler way to look at it is:
Dach++ vs. Boqvist+++

CHI definitely has the assets and cap space to do it. Even moreso if they move Toews (to NYR?)

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Don’t you worry.

Giordano to Seattle.

OEL to Calgary.

#nailedit

I would consider this if Arizona offered their 2022 1st and their 2023 1st. Especially the 2023 1st.
Not lottery protected of course.

As for Tkachuk, yes, his QO requirement shatters his value. If he wants, he can be a UFA in 2 years. Here's a hot take: I think this contract was Treliving's biggest mistake, even moreso than the Neal signing.

But with that said, he still has much more value than Gaudreau and Monahan. That's why we're talking about him as a trade centerpiece. And teams will still want him. He's a fantastic player and I think he'll have a great season.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

This is such a bad idea and you know the Flames will consider it.

Lose Gio for nothing, then spend assets to acquire a declining defenseman! This is such a Flames move to do.

Not sure how many times flames have done what you proposed they do? I’m thinking this is more of a cp poster conspiracy move .

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure how many times flames have done what you proposed they do? I’m thinking this is more of a cp poster conspiracy move .

I can’t count the number of times negative posters say that some bad idea is “typical Flames” when they haven’t actually done it before.

I suppose in this case, you could argue they lost Brodie for nothing. But they didn’t spend assets to get Tanev. Who didn’t decline IMO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t count the number of times negative posters say that some bad idea is “typical Flames” when they haven’t actually done it before.

I suppose in this case, you could argue they lost Brodie for nothing. But they didn’t spend assets to get Tanev. Who didn’t decline IMO.

Like "drafting 15th overall as usual"

Once in franchise history and drafted a hall of famer

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Like "drafting 15th overall as usual"

Once in franchise history and drafted a hall of famer

13 13 14 6 4 15 6 16 12 26 19 12


7 of the last 12 picks awarded to us have been #12-16.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Like "drafting 15th overall as usual"

Once in franchise history and drafted a hall of famer

Probably would have drafted another hall of famer in 2015 at 15th overall as well, but we traded the pick.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Probably would have drafted another hall of famer in 2015 at 15th overall as well, but we traded the pick.

So are we condemning picking 15th overall or wishing we did?

Man, the Flames just can't win with this board.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Sometimes the options you want aren’t available and you should be looking for the most value you can get. Columbus is probably going to do the same thing with Laine. They would have liked a long term high end piece for Dubois, but it wasn’t available. Laine was.

But sometime you can get those long term pieces by making 2 trades. Roslovic was a great add for Columbus, but they could still score a huge return for Dubois if they traded Laine now for picks and prospects.

I wonder if Buffalo could do this with the Flames. 1 teams problem isn't always every teams in the leagues problem. Will Tkachuk accept a QO and fast track himself to UFA status if he is a Flame? High chance he does? Buffalo? very likely. But his willingness to resign long term if he was in places like St Louis, Boston, NYR, LA and maybe a few other teams might change. Could Buffalo maximize their return on Eichel if they traded with Calgary and get Tkachuk and guys like Valimaki/Zary and a first and then flip Tkachuk to a team he is interested in playing with long term and a bad contract for more A type prospects and first round picks.

If teams like LA or Anahein want Eichel for Byfield or Zegras straight up or 3OA and lessor prospects would Buffalo get almost that in a Tkachuk trade and keep Zary or Valimaki and the flames first as well and be way better off?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So are we condemning picking 15th overall or wishing we did?

Man, the Flames just can't win with this board.

At the time, it would have been our 4th highest pick executed in the last 12 years (since Phaneuf).

But, I guess we already had a 4, 6, a reach at 21OA, and 22OA (tbf Poirier looked promising at this stage) in the org/pipeline, so obviously we were good to go!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Probably would have drafted another hall of famer in 2015 at 15th overall as well, but we traded the pick.

‘Probably would have drafted another hall of famer’

That’s laying it on a little thick.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So are we condemning picking 15th overall or wishing we did?

Man, the Flames just can't win with this board.

Until the Flames turn it around big time it is what it is.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

This is such a bad idea and you know the Flames will consider it.

Lose Gio for nothing, then spend assets to acquire a declining defenseman! This is such a Flames move to do.

Why are we losing Gio for nothing?

We don’t have to pay him anymore or take a crap contract in return.

Bonus in my mind. Hopefully someone takes Monahan and Lucic for nothing as well.

[activeStick]

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