Feb 6 Practice Notes. Hamonic, Hathaway return. Gaudreau, Prout maintenance day

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

I don’t understand the hate for Prout. He’s the Flames 9th best d-man. I’d hazard a guess that he stacks up favourably against most other teams 9th best defender.

Agreed. He's been sheltered but has not been a liability. We've had eleven D pairs hit the 50 minute mark this season, here they are sorted by expected goal %:



The top seven are all D pairs we should be comfortable playing in the playoffs as long as they're slotted properly.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It's weird how they've played two games in what feels like eons, yet we seem to be more banged up than before the break began.

This is a pretty good point. Speaks to the randomness of injuries for hockey players.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did he bust out? I imagine he doesn't have much of a poker face.

A few guys understandably don't return after the dinner break, which was a bit longer than usual last night.

I did give Lindy a solid Viking Clap as he was walking by last night, which he quite enjoyed. He stopped to chat and said he hopes more visiting teams do that when they win there.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is a pretty good point. Speaks to the randomness of injuries for hockey players.

All Frolik's fault for missing an open net.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

I don’t understand the hate for Prout. He’s the Flames 9th best d-man. I’d hazard a guess that he stacks up favourably against most other teams 9th best defender.

He'd be a top 4 defenseman in Edmonton.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He'd be a top 4 defenseman in Edmonton.

Prout for Talbot?

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Agreed. He's been sheltered but has not been a liability. We've had eleven D pairs hit the 50 minute mark this season, here they are sorted by expected goal %:



The top seven are all D pairs we should be comfortable playing in the playoffs as long as they're slotted properly.

Those advanced stats are so odd with regards to Andersson. When i watch him play, I see a guy who makes good heads up plays to exit the zone be it a nice outlet pass or eluding defenders and skating it out. I see a lot of poise in his game.

On the other hand, Prout tends to make the wrong decision a lot, leading to turnovers or extended time defending. Don't get me wrong, I like having Prout around for the odd game and i understand it's hard for him to just step in after sitting awhile, but I just would not have imagined Prout would be considered better than Andersson in any way other than face punching.

[868904]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I did give Lindy a solid Viking Clap as he was walking by last night, which he quite enjoyed. He stopped to chat and said he hopes more visiting teams do that when they win there.

If you really think about it, what the Canes do after they win is pretty disrespectful to the opposition.

It's pretty hypocritical of Canes fans to think that only they can do that when they win.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is a pretty good point. Speaks to the randomness of injuries for hockey players.

I wonder if they're just being more cautious as the playoffs approach. Any bang nick or cut, take a rest, heal up. No need to force things at this point.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by 868904

If you really think about it, what the Canes do after they win is pretty disrespectful to the opposition.

It's pretty hypocritical of Canes fans to think that only they can do that when they win.

How is celebrating a win disrespectful to the opposition?

I doubt the players actually care what happens after a loss. Its all for the fans, heaven forbid a franchise struggling to get asses in seats does something fun for the crowd that shows up.

Are the flames being disrespectful when they have the ice crew skate the flags around after wins?

[Locke]

Prout deserves the day off after an almost-perfectly-executed triple-axel.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 868904

Those advanced stats are so odd with regards to Andersson. When i watch him play, I see a guy who makes good heads up plays to exit the zone be it a nice outlet pass or eluding defenders and skating it out. I see a lot of poise in his game.

On the other hand, Prout tends to make the wrong decision a lot, leading to turnovers or extended time defending. Don't get me wrong, I like having Prout around for the odd game and i understand it's hard for him to just step in after sitting awhile, but I just would not have imagined Prout would be considered better than Andersson in any way other than face punching.

Sample sizes are too small to draw conclusions on xGF%.

Also, quality of competition is massive for a stat like that, and is not considered with these numbers.

Absolutely nothing to see here, IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 868904

Those advanced stats are so odd with regards to Andersson. When i watch him play, I see a guy who makes good heads up plays to exit the zone be it a nice outlet pass or eluding defenders and skating it out. I see a lot of poise in his game.



On the other hand, Prout tends to make the wrong decision a lot, leading to turnovers or extended time defending. Don't get me wrong, I like having Prout around for the odd game and i understand it's hard for him to just step in after sitting awhile, but I just would not have imagined Prout would be considered better than Andersson in any way other than face punching.

He’s not. I think this is a case where some of the glaring weaknesses in “underlying numbers” tend to be exposed. GranteedEV also seems to really dislike Andersson for some reason.



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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

No sign of Stone I assume

Haven’t acquire yet.

But...soooooooon

[Demaeon]

Johnny went on a bender celebrating the Summit Series win.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He’s not. I think this is a case where some of the glaring weaknesses in “underlying numbers” tend to be exposed. GranteedEV also seems to really dislike Andersson for some reason.

I don't dislike Andersson and I already pointed out that Prout has been sheltered.

If I've said anything negative about Andersson except is that he is not presently a top 4 defenseman and that Hanifin-Andersson are presently not an effective second pair. I also feel the same about Prout and Stone, and pointed out Valimaki and Kylington have yet to play any top four or right defense themselves.

The point of the xGF% chart was that our #9D Prout has not been a blatant liability on a pair with Kylington so far. Valimaki-Andersson is one of the seven pairs that has perfectly acceptable metrics.

And yes sample size is small. He's a #9D. That should be implicit.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by gt4flames

Johnny given a "maintenance" day the day after the poker tournament. hmm.

Footage of his winnings.

NSFW!

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sample sizes are too small to draw conclusions on xGF%.

Also, quality of competition is massive for a stat like that, and is not considered with these numbers.

Absolutely nothing to see here, IMO.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He’s not. I think this is a case where some of the glaring weaknesses in “underlying numbers” tend to be exposed.

Yep.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He’s not. I think this is a case where some of the glaring weaknesses in “underlying numbers” tend to be exposed. GranteedEV also seems to really dislike Andersson for some reason.

Been prone to small sample sizes unfortunately. When "called out" the other day for the Kulak > Hamonic comment he then doubled down and cited Kulak's small stretch of games with Weber as reason why he's better.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 868904

Those advanced stats are so odd with regards to Andersson. When i watch him play, I see a guy who makes good heads up plays to exit the zone be it a nice outlet pass or eluding defenders and skating it out. I see a lot of poise in his game.

On the other hand, Prout tends to make the wrong decision a lot, leading to turnovers or extended time defending. Don't get me wrong, I like having Prout around for the odd game and i understand it's hard for him to just step in after sitting awhile, but I just would not have imagined Prout would be considered better than Andersson in any way other than face punching.

I think the big gap between Andersson and Prout is sheltering. Prout and Kylington are the only Calgary defenseman that have faced on average players that get out played with their ice time this year. Andersson's average is much closer (though behind) the big four in Calgary.

Additionally, there has to be some right place right time stuff for Prout. For example he's ahead of Brodie, Valimaki, Andersson and Kylington in terms of high danger chances per 60 minutes when we all know not a single of these events came from him.

Best way to test that is to go to individual rates. When you look at those Prout has zero on the season, Brodie has 11, Giordano 8, Hanifin 7, ... Kylington, Hamonic and Andersson 3, Valimaki 2. Stone and Prout zero.

So his shopping list ...

a) keep it simple
b) get pucks out
c) let your linemates do the work

But what more do you want from a 8/9 guy, that's pretty solid work to not get in the way.