2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Like Ovechkin right?

huh? Ovi is one of the best goal scorers of all time. Johnny is nothing close to him in any aspect and I love Johnny.

[Roof-Daddy]

You don't trade a player with the talent of Gaudreau because of the myth that he "can't win in the playoffs".

Now, if Gaudreau won't sign an extension, then you should trade him before you lose him for nothing, or if someone offers you something you can't turn down then sure.

Has Gaudreau struggled in the playoffs so far? Yes. But lots of players did too......until they didn't. So like I said, unless you're forced to trade him, or can replace his talent, you keep him and hope he figures it out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You don't trade a player with the talent of Gaudreau because of the myth that he "can't win in the playoffs".

Now, if Gaudreau won't sign an extension, then you should trade him before you lose him for nothing, or if someone offers you something you can't turn down then sure.

Has Gaudreau struggled in the playoffs so far? Yes. But lots of players did too......until they didn't. So like I said, unless you're forced to trade him, or can replace his talent, you keep him and hope he figures it out.

Thing is, it’s not just “won’t sign an extension”. His NTC, which is very favourable to him, kicks in next year.

[flylock shox]

He's also about the 55th best paid player in the NHL.

That's not what you pay to a player you expect to be the centerpiece of a championship team.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is, it’s not just “won’t sign an extension”. His NTC, which is very favourable to him, kicks in next year.

And also what that extension contract looks like.

[Psytic]

You need to trade good players to get good players unless your dealing with Chia. I personally love Johnny but the Flames just really dont have a whole lot that would get the conversation going on a trade that would be of any consequence. We dont have many sexy players people want. Your either moving Chucky or Packaging Mono with a prospect or moving Johnny. Nobody wants anything else from us.

[MrMike]

Start working on an extension now. Have one agreed to and in place to sign or else trade him before the NMC kicks in.

He won’t agree to a deal and the minute he can sign it say “just kidding I just didn’t want to get traded”

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

And also what that extension contract looks like.

His last negotiation was probably the hardest Treliving’s had, especially considering Johnny’s relative lack of power, so I imagine he’s not looking forward to it this time. Treliving loves to be in the drivers’ seat on those things.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Like Ovechkin right?

Very good comparison.

One has 19 points in 30 career playoff games and is -8.

One has 131 points in 139 career playoff games and is +10.

Johnny is not built for playoff hockey and isn’t worth a massive new contract.
He needs to be moved for assets while you can. He’s a great complimentary player but not an alpha you can build a team around.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

Very good comparison.

One has 19 points in 30 career playoff games and is -8.

One has 131 points in 139 career playoff games and is +10.

Johnny is not built for playoff hockey and isn’t worth a massive new contract.
He needs to be moved for assets while you can. He’s a great complimentary player but not an alpha you can build a team around.

That doesn't mean you need to get rid of him, it just means you still need to get the alpha.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That doesn't mean you need to get rid of him, it just means you still need to get the alpha.

How do you acquire a stud center and have enough money to pay him without moving Johnny? Remember, after next season Johnny will want a huge long term deal. If you eat half of Johnny’s remaining deal, imagine what he would be worth to a contender. He is too small to dominate in the playoffs since he doesn’t have the requisite grit like a Patrick Kane for instance.

Ask yourselves:

1. Are the flames likely to go on a deep run this year?

2. If not, would it make sense to retool by shipping out expiring contracts before the expansion draft?

3. How sick are you of middling mediocrity?

Something needs to change now or we’ll end up in a situation similar to before this rebuild when you lost Iggy and Kipper for nothing. You need to maximize your assets or you go nowhere.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Do you really believe that GMs aren't humans who are affected by recency bias and hockey fans? There are myriad examples of player value fluctuating significantly based on season to season play.

The way I would approach it if I were a GM looking to acquire a player I would to look at as much as you possibly could, not just the past handful of games or quarter season and let that sway my evaluation.

I don’t think Gaudreau’s start to this season has any significant effect on his trade value.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

huh? Ovi is one of the best goal scorers of all time. Johnny is nothing close to him in any aspect and I love Johnny.

That was not my point. My point was the same thing was said for years about Ovechkin, you can't win with him as the main guy in the playoffs and yet they did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That was not my point. My point was the same thing was said for years about Ovechkin, you can't win with him as the main guy in the playoffs and yet they did.

I don’t remember them saying that at all. There was one season where he looked like he’d given up trying hard and people were writing him off, but that lasted just the one season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That was not my point. My point was the same thing was said for years about Ovechkin, you can't win with him as the main guy in the playoffs and yet they did.

Reminds me of the way people around here used to talk about Jay Bouwmeester. Anyone who knows anything knows you can’t win with that guy, right?

[djsFlames]

Tkachuk and Monahan for Eichel if that entices Buffalo might be where you have to start.

I think of the top forwards, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Mangiapane are the ones worth holding onto to be the complementary guys for that A-level center you bring back.

Eichel and Gaudreau together would be an elite pairing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

Johnny is not built for playoff hockey and isn’t worth a massive new contract.
He needs to be moved for assets while you can. He’s a great complimentary player but not an alpha you can build a team around.

Yup. That doesn't mean he can't have success in the playoffs. With the right star center, Gaudreau could put up some amazing numbers. But him and Yawnahan can't get it done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Reminds me of the way people around here used to talk about Jay Bouwmeester. Anyone who knows anything knows you can’t win with that guy, right?

I think it was fair to say he wasn’t going to be your star D on a cup winning team. He found a good role a with the Blues, with a really good D corps. Here’ the expectations were not accurate.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it was fair to say he wasn’t going to be your star D on a cup winning team. He found a good role a with the Blues, with a really good D corps. Here’ the expectations were not accurate.

I think that is a lot of hindsight is 20/20.
I think the expectations initially were fair. He was coming off 4 straight ~40 point seasons from Florida, not necessarily a strong team (they did have Jokinen though) where he was considered elite. He just didn't live up to those expectations with a flames sweater.

I did like Bouw as a flame though, unlike some. Glad he got a cup with the blues.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That doesn't mean you need to get rid of him, it just means you still need to get the alpha.

How do you suggest they do that?