[Rumour] Friedman: Devils and Flames have had legit discussions about Markstrom

[Southside]

Flames don't have any dead cap. Anything they retain on Tanev or Hanifin is this season only. New Jersey intrigues me, some good potential there if retaining $1 or $2 million gets you a great return the retention will not hurt too much.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I think this is a really bad idea. I’d like for Markstrom to stay here the entire time. Or at least another year or two before a potential buyout. I’m not comfortable having Vladar teach Wolf the ropes, nor do I feel comfortable running 1A/1B with that combo. Markstrom, another story. I think it’s better for Wolfs trajectory if Markstrom stayed.


Edit: tldr: maximize value on Hanifin/Tanev, call it a day.

You can always bring one of Quick, Talbot, or Fleury in the off-season to teach Wolf the ropes.

Quick seems like the perfect guy, because he plays a similar style.

[Harry Lime]

Complete guess, but if New Jersey wants to bring in Markstrom without moving out salary, with the savings from Foote/McLeod and Dawes going down, they are still about 2M short. So they are probably asking for Markstrom -2M for Holtz, but for 6M in cap savings over three years, Conroy wants the 1st, too.

[Ozy_Flame]

I would prefer Markstrom stay, it might be the best thing to help Wolf move from 2, to 1B, to 1A role by the time Markstrom's contract is complete.

Teams are built from the net out. Let's have Wolf work in tandem with of the league's best and get comfortable with a patient 'pass the torch' process and do this right.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I would prefer Markstrom stay, it might be the best thing to help Wolf move from 2, to 1B, to 1A role by the time Markstrom's contract is complete.

Teams are built from the net out. Let's have Wolf work in tandem with of the league's best and get comfortable with a patient 'pass the torch' process and do this right.

I don’t see a down side to keeping or trading him, unless they take the highest bid just because. I imagine the flames price is significant, and they have no real urgency to move off of it, as Markstrom is also very beneficial to the club for the reasons you mentioned.

[cKy]

Everyone acting like Murray doesnt like retention but ignore the fact we have paid basically every Flames coach in the last 15 years to not coach for us.

Clearly he doesnt have an issue with retention.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

You can always bring one of Quick, Talbot, or Fleury in the off-season to teach Wolf the ropes.

Quick seems like the perfect guy, because he plays a similar style.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Of course its going to be salary retention being the hanging point. The Flames have retained on a single player in a trade, and that was a few hundred thousand dollars. You're talking about multiple millions for a player that is plying his trade elsewhere. Not Edward's style. That is going to take some major convincing and I'm not sure Conroy will be able to convince Edwards to accept those terms. Amount retained on the UFAs he's traded so far? Zero.

Originally Posted by cKy

Everyone acting like Murray doesnt like retention but ignore the fact we have paid basically every Flames coach in the last 15 years to not coach for us.

Clearly he doesnt have an issue with retention.

People blame Edwards for everything lol

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People blame Edwards for everything lol

Just like Bettman at the league level. If something happens they don't like, it's because Bettman made it happen. If something happens they do like, it's because someone defied Bettman to make it happen.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Teams are built from the net out. Let's have Wolf work in tandem with of the league's best and get comfortable with a patient 'pass the torch' process and do this right.

I don't know about that one. Here are the cup winners in the last 10 years: Hill, Kuemper, Vasilevskiy x 2, Binnington, Holtby, Murray x 2, Quick, Crawford.

Quick and Vasilevskiy stand out, but the rest were average goalies IMO.

[Manhattanboy]

Hoping we keep Markstrom as long as we can.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t see many trades where a 34 year old goalie will bring in a 22 year old center who already had a 56pt season along with a potential 1st (likely 2nd).

How is Mercer a spare part?

Calgary needs star players, they don't need more meddling 2nd/3rd players. They need draft capital and to start swing for the fences on players that have star potential, if they miss, so be it. The last thing that they need is to come out of this rebuild, 3-4 years later without star players.

If Hughes, Nemec is off limits, then this year's first round pick has to be in play, Mercer is not going to turn this organization into a contender

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by getbak

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How did you dig that old gem up? That would be quite the reunion.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People blame Edwards for everything lol

Only those who’ve actually worked for Edwards
Ha ha

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Southside

Flames don't have any dead cap. Anything they retain on Tanev or Hanifin is this season only. New Jersey intrigues me, some good potential there if retaining $1 or $2 million gets you a great return the retention will not hurt too much.

I hope they go minimum $2 million, preferably $3M. If you expect a good return make Markstrom as valuable as possible. Even take Vanecek back if it helps

[Niemo]

Nothing against Markstrom, but seems like everyone is in the moment. After a 3 game losing streak, everyone will be voicing their displeasure for not having dealt Markstrom. Next season, if Markstrom looks average, people will be mad we didn’t sell at his peak. Feels like the stock market.

[FlamesAddiction]

It's kind of a funny report. They have had legit conversations, but the only thing holding it back are the actual things required to complete a trade.

Hopefully the report at least causes other teams to make a play for him and maybe cause a bit of a bidding war.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by cKy

Everyone acting like Murray doesnt like retention but ignore the fact we have paid basically every Flames coach in the last 15 years to not coach for us.

Clearly he doesnt have an issue with retention.

They also forget that the Flames nearly took on Cam Ward’s $6M contract in a pure cap dump for a pick when Treliving first arrived here.

…or the Troy Brouwer buy out. Or the Michael Stone buy out, who they then re-signed.

Or that “he wouldn’t pay for a coach” and then literally approved the firing of the most expensive coach in franchise history before his new extension even kicked in.

I’ll be critical of Murray for his short term thinking, but never for being cheap when it comes to stuff like this.

The fact is that $6M in retention carries a value of a 1st round pick, generally speaking. So say NJD was after 50% retention, that’s a 1st round pick just for the retention - forget the acquisition cost on top of it.

Tough deal to make, but damn does it fit Conroy’s plan. We have Wolf and Vladar, and his entire approach has been to clear veterans and give youth a chance. Trading Markstrom for a good haul would be well within his “vision” for how he’s restructuring this team.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's kind of a funny report. They have had legit conversations, but the only thing holding it back are the actual things required to complete a trade.

Hopefully the report at least causes other teams to make a play for him and maybe cause a bit of a bidding war.

I know, I laughed at that too. If nothing was "holding back" a trade, it would be completed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Calgary needs star players, they don't need more meddling 2nd/3rd players. They need draft capital and to start swing for the fences on players that have star potential, if they miss, so be it. The last thing that they need is to come out of this rebuild, 3-4 years later without star players.

If Hughes, Nemec is off limits, then this year's first round pick has to be in play, Mercer is not going to turn this organization into a contender

Mercer is the same age as Zary the upside is there. In many cases several very solid young assets can be combined to land a superstar via trade. 34vyear old Markstrom who is having a great year returning a 22 year old center in his 3rd year and a decent pick is great.

Last summer we couldn’t give Markstrom away so lets not forget he doesn’t have a perfect resume himself