09-12-2020, 08:48 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by agulati
I was hoping for a top tier coach hire, but might be expecting a lot, I don't know.
Ward did have a decent end of the season, and coaching is not the biggest problem on the roster. A top tier coach can definitely fix/cover some of the warts, as well as be critical for player development (Look at the Islanders).
Treliving has to make moves, but this decision of either keeping Ward or getting a new coach, will probably be a critical one, looked back in a year (or shorter) to determine his future with the team.
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Coaching is 100% the biggest issue with this roster. Having a smaller skill group playing dump and chase is just mind boggling bad.
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09-12-2020, 08:49 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Crown Royal
With the recent 20% cuts in salaries to staff, it is less surprising the Flames are considering Ward. With the possibility of no ticket revenue next season, Treliving may have a tight coaching budget and Ward might be the best choice within that budget.
Ward wasn't my top choice, maybe not even top 5; but I have a hard time calling it a poor choice. After Ward took over as head coach, the Flames went 25-15-3, which is the 8th best record in the NHL (4th in West, 2nd in Pacific). We were 10th in goals per game, 3rd in PP%. He also led us to a series win over the Jets and had us in a position where we should have ousted the Stars.
We also can't discount the fact that people learn through mistakes and you have to think that was discussed by management and Ward
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When is Treliving going to learn?
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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09-12-2020, 08:50 PM
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#43
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No rumours about the Flames since the season ended have excited me, just worried me. Starting to believe that BT has just lost it and needs to be replaced.
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09-12-2020, 08:52 PM
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#44
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If true, then you have to get players that will fit Ward's system. Bye bye Johnny (and maybe Mony)
Disappointing, especially considering Boudreau has said he will coach anywhere with a HC spot before considering an Assistant role. Would've loved to see Johnny play under him.
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09-12-2020, 08:52 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Igottago
When is Treliving going to learn?
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He did learn.
After his exhaustive process to hire GG, he learned to just hire one guy he likes and ignore everything else - Peters, and now Ward.
Just awesome process, so happy to have a GM that has no clue how to hire a coach in this league.
This team is so lucky their biggest rival is the worst pro franchise in NA, as the bar is set at the ground for them that they don't have to actually try to win.
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09-12-2020, 08:55 PM
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#46
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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Following Tre's playbook, now that he has his coach without even looking at any of the talent out there, I can't wait until he trades a couple 1sts and a 2nd for a mid-pair dman, or stupid expensive Dman (or both).
Then he can go sign a bottom 6 forward to a stupid contract that will be bought out in a years time.
Gotta love the process
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09-12-2020, 08:55 PM
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#47
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It’s a process. This is part of the process. Time to process this team out.
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09-12-2020, 08:57 PM
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#48
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Coaching is 100% the biggest issue with this roster. Having a smaller skill group playing dump and chase is just mind boggling bad.
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I don't agree. Coaching is an issue, but there are other areas on the roster that need to be improved.
We lack a number centre, which ends up putting a lot on Gaudreau.
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09-12-2020, 08:58 PM
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This thread is hilarious.
What did you all think was going to happen? Scotty Bowman was going to come out of retirement? Coach Q was going to resign on Florida?
Ward did well last year, the front office is taking a major pay cut, and the GM hasn't ever demonstrated a different philosophy.
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09-12-2020, 08:59 PM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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You know, maybe it's time to get on the ground floor with Seattle. Sure they may have a ton of failure but it will be new, fresh failure.
Plus they'll hate all the same teams I hate now. Edmonton, Vancouver, etc.
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09-12-2020, 09:00 PM
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#51
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
This thread is hilarious.
What did you all think was going to happen? Scotty Bowman was going to come out of retirement? Coach Q was going to resign on Florida?
Ward did well last year, the front office is taking a major pay cut, and the GM hasn't ever demonstrated a different philosophy.
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We all knew this would happen. That is the problem. The Flames are a sub NHL team when it comes to going out and getting elite talent, in any role. Mediocre for the last 30 years, mediocre for the next.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
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-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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09-12-2020, 09:00 PM
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#52
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Originally Posted by Icon
Step 6. "We were in on lots of stuff, hard to make things work, unprecedented times, blablabla"
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Don't forget #7 - We went through the complete process and looked at it from every angle.
Good grief, I absolutely hate "the process" discussions. "The process" has got this team zero fricking improvement in years. Might as well get rid of our skill players and bring in lots of grinders because we are for a real treat of dump and chase and low scoring games, if we can even score any goals.
I know it is just a rumour but I am so disappointed.
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09-12-2020, 09:01 PM
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#53
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Originally Posted by Toonage
You know, maybe it's time to get on the ground floor with Seattle. Sure they may have a ton of failure but it will be new, fresh failure.
Plus they'll hate all the same teams I hate now. Edmonton, Vancouver, etc.
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It's amazing, seattle is undefeated!
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09-12-2020, 09:02 PM
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#54
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Crown Royal
With the recent 20% cuts in salaries to staff, it is less surprising the Flames are considering Ward. With the possibility of no ticket revenue next season, Treliving may have a tight coaching budget and Ward might be the best choice within that budget.
Ward wasn't my top choice, maybe not even top 5; but I have a hard time calling it a poor choice. After Ward took over as head coach, the Flames went 25-15-3, which is the 8th best record in the NHL (4th in West, 2nd in Pacific). We were 10th in goals per game, 3rd in PP%. He also led us to a series win over the Jets and had us in a position where we should have ousted the Stars.
We also can't discount the fact that people learn through mistakes and you have to think that was discussed by management and Ward
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it is excuses and justifications like this the reason the Flames are always mediocre
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09-12-2020, 09:02 PM
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#55
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
It's amazing, seattle is undefeated!
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Yeah, feels good.
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09-12-2020, 09:04 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I'm also of the mindset that the cone of silence surrounding the Flames right may mean there's bigger things at play here. Lile trees job. Serious. As much as Friedmans annoying me with these gloriously vague takes, that also means theres a total lockdown in the dome right now. No info is getting put.
Cpuld be owners doing an internal cap mandate, owners doing their own personal review of things and nothing is going to get done until they finish their work.
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09-12-2020, 09:09 PM
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#57
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I've been a big Treliving supporter, but if this turns out to be true and they don't have a solid regular season and some playoff success this year, he's gotta go.
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Before you call me a pessimist or a downer, the Flames made me this way. Blame them.
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09-12-2020, 09:10 PM
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#58
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
This thread is hilarious.
What did you all think was going to happen? Scotty Bowman was going to come out of retirement? Coach Q was going to resign on Florida?
Ward did well last year, the front office is taking a major pay cut, and the GM hasn't ever demonstrated a different philosophy.
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By no objective metric did Ward do "well". The team was never more inconsistent and middling.
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09-12-2020, 09:10 PM
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#59
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Originally Posted by Elkyiv
it is excuses and justifications like this the reason the Flames are always mediocre
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Maybe it’s the people who complain real loud but then still watch the games and follow the team that make the team mediocre.
No reason to change if even your critics stick by you.
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09-12-2020, 09:11 PM
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#60
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Tre should have been fired when he passed over every potential coach and only intended on hiring one person.
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Maybe it’s the people who complain real loud but then still watch the games and follow the team that make the team mediocre.
No reason to change if even your critics stick by you.
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Yes, the loyal fans are to blame.
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