09-24-2020, 02:32 PM
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#861
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Franchise Player
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I'm all aboard the Amirov train. toot toot.
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09-24-2020, 02:36 PM
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#862
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I'm all aboard the Amirov train. toot toot.
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Awww hell yeah. I sincerely hope that if he is available at 19 and the Flames actually make the pick, his name is called. Its such a no brainer IMO.
Then, if he is gone, I have Gunler, then the RHD Barron. I just have this feeling Quinn and Jarvis are gone before 19. And Askarov. I have him gone at 5. Sounds crazy but its really not that crazy.
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09-24-2020, 02:42 PM
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#863
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Awww hell yeah. I sincerely hope that if he is available at 19 and the Flames actually make the pick, his name is called. Its such a no brainer IMO.
Then, if he is gone, I have Gunler, then the RHD Barron. I just have this feeling Quinn and Jarvis are gone before 19. And Askarov. I have him gone at 5. Sounds crazy but its really not that crazy.
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Askarov has had a hot start too, no way he makes it down. There are like 6 teams ahead of us who could legit take a gamble on a #1 goalie.
Jiri, I agree, I don't think Lundell has much of a chance to get down to 19, I just think he's got the floor of a great #3 Centre in the league. I see him as the natural Backlund replacement, with potential for even more offense.
Amirov is very intriguing as well- I like him better than Marat (can't spell this guy's last name lol) but I think some teams will think Marat could turn into Kucherov and leap on it.
Disagree with Dammage that Lapierre disappears for stretches- his consistency is actually pretty notable outside of the obvious injuries and the poor stretches upon return from those injuries. He also shows up in big games. I had a lot of doubts earlier but have since watched many videos of him and been convinced that he still has Very high upside compared to similar projected picks (such as Bourque.)
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09-24-2020, 03:21 PM
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#864
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't see a way Askarov makes it past Carolina to be honest.
They have scoring, they have so much depth on defense, they really need a top flight goalie prospect.
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09-24-2020, 03:25 PM
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#865
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I don't see a way Askarov makes it past Carolina to be honest.
They have scoring, they have so much depth on defense, they really need a top flight goalie prospect.
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Buffalo, Minny, Carolina, Edmonton, and Chicago could all use a #1 goalie prospect. IMO no chance we get him.
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09-24-2020, 03:25 PM
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#866
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I don't see a way Askarov makes it past Carolina to be honest.
They have scoring, they have so much depth on defense, they really need a top flight goalie prospect.
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Relatable.
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09-24-2020, 03:45 PM
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#867
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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These are my top 4, but I doubt any of them end up dropping to #19:
1. Dawson Mercer
2. Yaroslav Askarov
3. Seth Jarvis
4. Jack Quinn
Realistically, I hope the Flames draft one of these players. They have pretty good NHLEs and seem to be have decent ceilings, without a ton of risk:
1. Connor Zary
2. Mavrik Bourque
3. Rodion Amirov
Players that I'm not so hot on:
1. Hendrix Lapierre
2. Kaiden Guhle
3. Braden Schneider
4. Ridly Greig
5. Dylan Holloway
6. John-Jason Peterka
Completely undecided on:
1. Noel Gunler
2. Tyson Foerster
3. Lukas Reichel
If the Flames ever traded up, I think Marco Rossi has an extremely high ceiling. But that's a long shot.
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09-24-2020, 04:58 PM
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#868
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Franchise Player
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I'm really liking the possibilities in the second round this year, and Nashville has the #37 and #42 picks in the draft. I mention this because I get the feeling that they were underwhelmed with Matt Duchene this past year, and he just does not fit into John Hynes system. He has an $8M hit for the next six years.
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09-24-2020, 05:41 PM
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#869
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Kelowna
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Originally Posted by dammage79
I understand the hesitancy you speak of. But when Button says "best draft eligible goalie he has seen since Carey Price", those risks are washed away immediately. Not because Button says so, but because if someone like button sees that, you know full well those who actually run hockey teams share the sentiment.
Spencer Knight was notable last year, but nothing like Askarov this year. Not close, not by a mile.
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If youre a scorched earth team with the value oick ottawa has, you can afford to take the franchise forward with your first pick and assume the risk reward with askarov. Seriously. When all is said and done, Askarov will be a #1. Hes a tier above Samsonov, Shetyerkin and Sorokin.
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Bruh... these are some wild statements. There's always risk, especially when it comes to goaltending prospects.
I understand the love for Askarov, but I still think your game plan should be to obtain starting elite goaltenders later in the draft. I wouldn't waste game breaking talent in that top 10 on a goaltender who could very well develop to just be an average starter or worse. The position is such a crapshoot to project.
There has been a history of goaltenders selected in the Top 20 in the modern era who became just average starters, others who couldn't cut it in the AHL and even fewer I would call elite...
Rick DiPietro (1st overall, 2000)
Brent Krahn (9th overall, 2000)
Pascal Leclaire (8th overall, 2001)
Dan Blackburn (10th overall, 2001)
Kari Lehtonen (2nd overall, 2002)
Marc-Andre Fleury (1st overall, 2003) - Was elite for a time
Al Montoya (6th overall, 2004)
Devan Dubnyk (14th overall, 2004) - A couple elite seasons
Carey Price (6th overall, 2005) - As elite as it gets
Jonathan Bernier (11th overall, 2006)
Riku Helenius (15th overall, 2006)
Chet Pickard (18th overall, 2008)
Jack Campbell (11th overall, 2010)
Andrei Vasilevskiy (19th overall, 2012) - Elite
After the top 10, once you get into that third tier of player, sure take a flier. There is just way too much talent on the table at #5 for the Senators to select Askarov and run that risk, but thats just my opinion!
Last edited by DomeFoam; 09-24-2020 at 05:43 PM.
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09-24-2020, 06:04 PM
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#870
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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There's just no way Askarov, Mercer, or Jarvis are available at 19, unfortunately. Too bad, those 3 are going to be star players. I think the chances of landing Holloway are very slim as well. Our pick is in Zary/Bourque/Amirov/Foerster/Lapierre territory, which is just fine too.
It seems that Reichel has been getting a ton of attention recently, and as it seems, it's for good reason. I would throw him in to the ring as a player I wouldn't mind spending our first on. He seems to have it all-speed and skill to burn, with good competitiveness. Every highlight reel on this kid is amazing.
Last edited by Sandman; 09-24-2020 at 06:08 PM.
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09-24-2020, 06:14 PM
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#871
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by DomeFoam
Bruh... these are some wild statements. There's always risk, especially when it comes to goaltending prospects.
I understand the love for Askarov, but I still think your game plan should be to obtain starting elite goaltenders later in the draft. I wouldn't waste game breaking talent in that top 10 on a goaltender who could very well develop to just be an average starter or worse. The position is such a crapshoot to project.
There has been a history of goaltenders selected in the Top 20 in the modern era who became just average starters, others who couldn't cut it in the AHL and even fewer I would call elite...
Rick DiPietro (1st overall, 2000)
Brent Krahn (9th overall, 2000)
Pascal Leclaire (8th overall, 2001)
Dan Blackburn (10th overall, 2001)
Kari Lehtonen (2nd overall, 2002)
Marc-Andre Fleury (1st overall, 2003) - Was elite for a time
Al Montoya (6th overall, 2004)
Devan Dubnyk (14th overall, 2004) - A couple elite seasons
Carey Price (6th overall, 2005) - As elite as it gets
Jonathan Bernier (11th overall, 2006)
Riku Helenius (15th overall, 2006)
Chet Pickard (18th overall, 2008)
Jack Campbell (11th overall, 2010)
Andrei Vasilevskiy (19th overall, 2012) - Elite
After the top 10, once you get into that third tier of player, sure take a flier. There is just way too much talent on the table at #5 for the Senators to select Askarov and run that risk, but thats just my opinion!
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A few notes: - DiPietro was an all-star goaltender who had his career derailed by concussions and then ended by injuries.
- Krahn was derailed by knee injuries.
- Blackburn derailed by injuries. Or maybe it was Montoyo? One suffered a serious shoulder injury that derailed them.
- Lehtonen was never a top 5 goalie, but he was consistenly a very good starter for about a decade.
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09-24-2020, 06:21 PM
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#872
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Blackburn tried to extend his career by playing with 2 blockers because he couldn't use a catcher anymore.
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09-24-2020, 06:40 PM
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#873
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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To add, Campbell and Bernier both became pretty solid goalies. DiPietro and Leclaire both looked pretty good until they got derailed by injury.
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09-24-2020, 06:44 PM
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#874
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Kelowna
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Yes, but I was disputing elite (franchise) goalies, which is what you’d expect using 5 OA on one. I was not aware of those injuries, though, who knows if Blackburn and company would’ve upheld their draft position. Injury is part of that risk picking a tendy.
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09-25-2020, 08:19 AM
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#875
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#1 Goaltender
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I’m surprised Trevor Kidd (drafted 11OA by the Flames in 1990) hasn’t been mentioned. His overall NHL save percentage was .901.
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09-25-2020, 08:21 AM
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#876
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by DomeFoam
Yes, but I was disputing elite (franchise) goalies, which is what you’d expect using 5 OA on one. I was not aware of those injuries, though, who knows if Blackburn and company would’ve upheld their draft position. Injury is part of that risk picking a tendy.
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It is? Is that the automatic assumption for all positions? I would think if you could guarantee an elite franchise goalie... he’d go #1.
Lindholm, Reilly, Strome, Niederrieter, Schenn, Schenn, Alzner, Kessel, Price, Wheeler, Vanek, Whitney...
So, the goalie chosen at 5 turned out to be one of the greatest ever. But, I would describe this as mostly top half talent on your roster. Not a lot of “elite franchise” guys. So why is that the bar for a goalie? That doesn’t make any sense.
Last edited by Scroopy Noopers; 09-25-2020 at 08:26 AM.
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09-25-2020, 08:54 AM
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#877
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick M.
I’m surprised Trevor Kidd (drafted 11OA by the Flames in 1990) hasn’t been mentioned. His overall NHL save percentage was .901.
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Yes but Brodeur was the other goalie taken in the 1st round that year, so that's more of a whiff on our end
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09-25-2020, 09:17 AM
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#878
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Yes but Brodeur was the other goalie taken in the 1st round that year, so that's more of a whiff on our end
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Obviously it was a disappointment (amplified by the unpredicted GOAT chosen after), but he was still a starter in the league for 5/6 seasons. With mediocre numbers. Kinda like other goalies chosen around that mark (Bernier... Montoya level goalies)
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09-25-2020, 09:23 AM
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#879
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Obviously it was a disappointment (amplified by the unpredicted GOAT chosen after), but he was still a starter in the league for 5/6 seasons. With mediocre numbers. Kinda like other goalies chosen around that mark (Bernier... Montoya level goalies)
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Felix Potvin, also a better goalie, was selected third. I dunno, the flames have always sucked at identifying drafting, and developing goalie talent.
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09-25-2020, 09:25 AM
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#880
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Felix Potvin, also a better goalie, was selected third. I dunno, the flames have always sucked at identifying drafting, and developing goalie talent.
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I just think the expectation of mid first round picks to deliver a franchise starter is unrealistic. Same goes for other positions so I don’t understand the added pressure.
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