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View Poll Results: What role do humans play in contributing to climate change?
Humans are the primary contributor to climate change 396 62.86%
Humans contribute to climate change, but not the main cause 165 26.19%
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:35 AM   #461
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I'd live in Tokyo in a heartbeat if money wasn't an issue.
It's cheaper than here, Rube!
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:37 AM   #462
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That would be glorious.
Honestly, we live in a very conservative country which thanks to a whack of natural advantages has not seen fit to really innovate or the lead the way on much of anything over the last 50 years.

It is tiring to hear Canadians defend small things like they are entitlements.
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Millenialsn though annoying will save us from climate change assuming as they get older they don't adapt to Boomer lifestyle of excess.

Millennials are living in cities and avoiding suburbs. Less commuting, less sprawl.

Less inclined to own a car. If own car, drive less. If don't own car live urban and ride share. Can walk to most of live necessities (grocery, work, entertainment).

Lifestyles are more in line with being environmentally friendly. Cars, housing, food, clothing, packaging etc.

If millennials continue this we see cities thrive and suburbs die off. Suburbs converting back to farm land to feed nearby cities. Investment in greenhouses that can grown anything in any climate on this converted farm land.
Except it's not really true:


https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-urban-exodus


https://themortgagereports.com/32395...moving-suburbs


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uying-big-suvs


https://www.citylab.com/transportati...e-data/585667/



and many many more articles.
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It's cheaper than here, Rube!
You're actually not wrong. I think living in BC for the last 10 years has changed my perception on what's cheap and what isn't. I remember when I moved to Copenhagen in 2014 for a bit and everyone was telling me how expensive it was and then I got there and everything was pretty comparable to Vancouver/Victoria (rent, food, booze, public transit). I guess in comparison to other parts of Asia, Tokyo is expensive, but it's not really overly excessive in comparison with most major Western cities.
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You're actually not wrong. I think living in BC for the last 10 years has changed my perception on what's cheap and what isn't. I remember when I moved to Copenhagen in 2014 for a bit and everyone was telling me how expensive it was and then I got there and everything was pretty comparable to Vancouver/Victoria (rent, food, booze, public transit). I guess in comparison to other parts of Asia, Tokyo is expensive, but it's not really overly excessive in comparison with most major Western cities.
Tokyo rent is much cheaper than here, so are homes. So is eating out. We live in expensive hell-holes made worse by the suburban homeowner who viciously lobbies to keep it that way.
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Tokyo rent is much cheaper than here, so are homes. So is eating out. We live in expensive hell-holes made worse by the suburban homeowner who viciously lobbies to keep it that way.
LOL. Tell us how you really feel.
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It's true. Millennials are essentially following the incentives set in stone by wasteful, selfish Boomers. Can you blame them?
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Thanks for sharing. We're screwed then. Need next generations to break consumer cycle to combat climate change.
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I also take issue with Peter's notion that SFH are a pox on the Earth. I built a garage that I will use as a workshop to make and repair my own things, so I don't need to throw out everything that breaks, and can built quality furniture from stuff that isn't particle board. I can store bikes to get exercise and keep healthy. I grow my own food in my gardens so some food doesn't need to be shipped to me, and compost everything I can for my own re-use. We have fruit trees and shrubs and flowers for birds and bugs. I capture rain water to reduce flooding issues due to paving everything, and use it to water instead of treated water.



But hey, concrete jungles are so much better.
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I also take issue with Peter's notion that SFH are a pox on the Earth. I built a garage that I will use as a workshop to make and repair my own things, so I don't need to throw out everything that breaks, and can built quality furniture from stuff that isn't particle board. I can store bikes to get exercise and keep healthy. I grow my own food in my gardens so some food doesn't need to be shipped to me, and compost everything I can for my own re-use. We have fruit trees and shrubs and flowers for birds and bugs. I capture rain water to reduce flooding issues due to paving everything, and use it to water instead of treated water.

But hey, concrete jungles are so much better.
Be honest though, what % of people with SFH do you think are engaged in all of this? My friends don't even park their vehicles in their garages half the time because they want room in there to smoke when it's cold.
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By every metric, SFH are bad for the environment. By every metric they are worse than every other type of housing.

As well, it's not endless huge suburbs or a concrete jungle. There are plenty of options in the middle for decent, comfortable city living.
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Be honest though, what % of people with SFH do you think are engaged in all of this? My friends don't even park their vehicles in their garages half the time because they want room in there to smoke when it's cold.
Or it's so full of stuff that they can't park in there. Also Fuzz, I commend you, but I think you're in the minority.
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Or it's so full of stuff that they can't park in there. Also Fuzz, I commend you, but I think you're in the minority.
Yes, well, if more people were like Fuzz the world would be a better place. And have nicer garages.
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Or it's so full of stuff that they can't park in there. Also Fuzz, I commend you, but I think you're in the minority.
Its good for him, but he will use his status as a homeowner to prevent other people from living in his neighbourhood unless they choose his exact consumption pattern.

This attitude alone proves that SFH are based on a fragile political contract that is not worth anything on its own merit beyond what can be protected politically.
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Yes, well, if more people were like Fuzz the world would be a better place. And have nicer garages.
Don't even get me started on garages.
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Its good for him, but he will use his status as a homeowner to prevent other people from living in his neighbourhood unless they choose his exact consumption pattern.

This attitude alone proves that SFH are based on a fragile political contract that is not worth anything on its own merit beyond what can be protected politically.
Sorry, who's blocking what now? My neighbour across the street split his lot, and on the new section built a narrow house, and a garage with a suite on top. Went form 1 to 3 places. I don't know anyone who complained. Plenty of infilled buildings have gone up. No complaints. Across the street is a lower income rental village, never had a complaint.



Sure, a few people get all rabble rabbly, but I don't think most people have a problem wit it.


And garages are awesome.
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It's almost universally true that humans will use as many resources as they possible can. Make cars twice as fuel efficient and people will drive twice as far. Make houses cheaper and houses just get bigger. Give people free cold fusion energy and they'll try to blow up the moon or ignite the atmosphere or something.
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Sorry, who's blocking what now? My neighbour across the street split his lot, and on the new section built a narrow house, and a garage with a suite on top. Went form 1 to 3 places. I don't know anyone who complained. Plenty of infilled buildings have gone up. No complaints. Across the street is a lower income rental village, never had a complaint.



Sure, a few people get all rabble rabbly, but I don't think most people have a problem wit it.


And garages are awesome.
Well, I respect that, for sure, but you know where I am coming from.
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By every metric, SFH are bad for the environment. By every metric they are worse than every other type of housing.
There's a paper that questions that:

We estimate that downtown high-rise living in Chicago, IL accounts for approximately 25% more life-cycle energy per person per year than suburban low-rise living, on average, contrary to some common beliefs (best estimates were ~141 and ~113 GJ/person/year, respectively). Building operational energy use was found to be the largest contributor of the total life-cycle energy in both the downtown high-rise and suburban low-rise cases, followed by vehicle operational energy.

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Here's another perspective regarding Mr.Moore.

Ah jeez. 41 minutes long and the first 1:11 is basically calling anyone who questions it deniers and mocks skepticism. Sorry, did not proceed.

Moore's points include the fact that the planet has gone back and forth through ice ages and periods of warmth. There's no denying that humans are seriously contributing, just that it's not a new reality for the planet.

Also, if people weren't so afraid of nuclear, things could get figured out pretty quickly. But the environmentalists don't want to hear solutions like that, likewise for solutions in carbon capture that guys like Bill Gates have been working on.

It's an all out war on fossil fuels when it doesn't need to be. A balance can be struck. Deciding to completely stop using fossil fuels by such and such date is a pretty narrow minded solution. An alternative solution is to find ways to use the human created excess carbon emissions for things that are beneficial, and to look at ways of powering our lifestyles in ways that aren't as inefficient as solar and wind.

It just blows my mind that people are so anti-pipeline when it's the most efficient, cleanest, and lowest risk way of doing it. Basically, if you're anti-pipeline, you're for more emissions. How does one reconcile that in their mind? It's just baffling.
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