Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-13-2017, 10:42 PM   #121
1qqaaz
Franchise Player
 
1qqaaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
Exp:
Default

Don't love the term, but I'm guessing Ferland will re-sign with the Flames when this contract ends. He's kind of like Backlund. I don't see what he should ever leave.
1qqaaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2017, 10:48 PM   #122
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
^
Has Treliving participated in an arb. hearing yet in his time in Calgary? (Byron, maybe?) His ability to get these things settled before then looks good on him.
I looked up 2016. 25 arbitration cases filed last summer, 24 settled before the hearing and the other one settled before the ruling.
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Strange Brew For This Useful Post:
Old 07-13-2017, 10:53 PM   #123
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default Flames re-sign Ferland (2 yrs, $1.75M AAV)

Quote:
Originally Posted by savemedrzaius View Post
...Leafs just signed Hyman to a 4 year 9 million deal.

If Flames fans had to choose for Ferland; do you like the current deal or would you rather Ferland have Hyman's deal?
I honestly don't care enough about Hyman to even think about such a comparison. I am happy about the deal—would have been happier with another year, but this is good.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project

Last edited by Textcritic; 07-13-2017 at 10:55 PM.
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2017, 11:19 PM   #124
savemedrzaius
Help, save, whatever.
 
savemedrzaius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz View Post
Don't love the term, but I'm guessing Ferland will re-sign with the Flames when this contract ends. He's kind of like Backlund. I don't see what he should ever leave.
I feel like Ferland should have got the 4 year deal and Hyman the 2-year.

I guess Ferland feels he can do more than he has done already which is a good thing.
savemedrzaius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 01:40 AM   #125
Cgycowboy
Backup Goalie
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Exp:
Default

Great deal and low risk. If he ends up being our first line winger he will deserve the pay jump if he doesn't then we don't get bouma'd

Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk
Cgycowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Cgycowboy For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 04:00 AM   #126
GranteedEV
Franchise Player
 
GranteedEV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Term is blegh. No money opening up that year (other than Bouma buyout), Tkachuk and a likely 20-30 goal Ferland to re-sign, Brouwer still on the books. Ferland will be a UFA too so no way to maximize the asset in the offseason. Only way to keep Ferly will be to trade Frolik+Stone and buy Brouwer out.
__________________

"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."

Last edited by GranteedEV; 07-14-2017 at 04:06 AM.
GranteedEV is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 05:00 AM   #127
Itse
Franchise Player
 
Itse's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV View Post
Term is blegh. No money opening up that year (other than Bouma buyout), Tkachuk and a likely 20-30 goal Ferland to re-sign, Brouwer still on the books. Ferland will be a UFA too so no way to maximize the asset in the offseason. Only way to keep Ferly will be to trade Frolik+Stone and buy Brouwer out.
Frolik+Stone+Brouwer+ 2M in buyouts + rising cap is more than 15M in cap space, just how expensive do you think Ferland and Tkachuk are going to be?

Besides, if Tkachuk + Ferland are going to be worth 10M+ they'll be awesome and that should be a good thing.

There's also Smiths, Lacks, Versteegs and Stajans contracts ending before that worth 10M+. (Yes some of those end next season, but a smart GM can look ahead and not tie up cap space he might need next offseason.)

EDIT:
To continue on that thought... I like the contract in general, even if it means a big raise in a couple of years. I'd much rather pay a player for what he's worth when we know he's really worth it than risk overpaying him for what he might be worth.

You also can't just focus on trying to keep everybody forever. If any more forward prospects start pushing for spots, we'll need to move somebody anyway.

Last edited by Itse; 07-14-2017 at 05:48 AM.
Itse is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Itse For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 05:34 AM   #128
EldrickOnIce
Franchise Player
 
EldrickOnIce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
Exp:
Default

^^ a 20 - 30 goal Ferland would be a good problem to have in a couple years.
EldrickOnIce is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to EldrickOnIce For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 06:43 AM   #129
btimbit
Franchise Player
 
btimbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
Exp:
Default

He'll be on 960 at 8 this morning
btimbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 07:38 AM   #130
Bingo
Owner
 
Bingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Another example of the Flames philosophy of late when it comes to signing players.

Monahan went 7 not 8
Gaudreau went 6 not 8
Ferland at 2 is risky sure

But the Flames see the market very differently than others. Players are resigning and not moving, better to keep the AAV down to continue to work this 3-5 year window and be able to afford additional assets. Deal with retaining Ferland down the road. Would have taken another million + to get this deal to four years and then that would be it for cap space.

Better to lose a player now and then vs over paying all of them out of insecurity.
Bingo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Bingo For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 08:49 AM   #131
SofaProfessor
Scoring Winger
 
SofaProfessor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Ferland is betting on himself. I would have liked to see another year or two but you have to love the fact that he clearly believes, in 2 years, he will be more valuable than he is now. If he's right, it's not the worst problem to have for the team.
__________________
SofaProfessor is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to SofaProfessor For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 09:55 AM   #132
Gaudfather
Franchise Player
 
Gaudfather's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
Exp:
Default

Ferland did a hit on Fan 960 this morning with Boomer. He said that things really clicked for him last year starting with that game in Nashville when he just decided to start shooting the puck. Makes one feel optimistic that what started in the latter part of last year's season will continue this upcoming season. Good guy - hope this year is his best yet!

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...oomer-morning/
Gaudfather is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Gaudfather For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 10:06 AM   #133
Toonage
Taking a while to get to 5000
 
Toonage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Exp:
Default

To be fair everyone clicked when they shot the puck during that game in Nashville.
Toonage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 11:01 AM   #134
Cgycowboy
Backup Goalie
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SofaProfessor View Post
Ferland is betting on himself. I would have liked to see another year or two but you have to love the fact that he clearly believes, in 2 years, he will be more valuable than he is now. If he's right, it's not the worst problem to have for the team.
That's exactly it. Same as Lazar. Except Lazars was maybe mandated more by the management.

Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk
Cgycowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 11:08 AM   #135
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather View Post
Ferland did a hit on Fan 960 this morning with Boomer. He said that things really clicked for him last year starting with that game in Nashville when he just decided to start shooting the puck. Makes one feel optimistic that what started in the latter part of last year's season will continue this upcoming season. Good guy - hope this year is his best yet!

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...oomer-morning/
Ferland played two years of house league, then one year of AAA, and then was playing in the WHL.

how crazy is it that Micheal Ferland was playing in the WHL after playing a total of three years of organized hockey? What a great story.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Textcritic For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 11:17 AM   #136
calgaryblood
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterJoji View Post
Less than Kassian.

Kassian got the exact same two year $3.5 million dollar contract when he was an RFA.
calgaryblood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 11:27 AM   #137
FBI
Franchise Player
 
FBI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
Exp:
Default

Poirier is lucky to have a great role model in Ferland. I'm hoping Poirier says "Ferland did it, I can do it!"
__________________
FBI is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to FBI For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 12:29 PM   #138
calgaryblood
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FBI View Post
Poirier is lucky to have a great role model in Ferland. I'm hoping Poirier says "Ferland did it, I can do it!"
And IMO this all goes back to McGrattan in the organization.
calgaryblood is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to calgaryblood For This Useful Post:
Old 07-14-2017, 12:36 PM   #139
Fire
Franchise Player
 
Fire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

A 2 year deal keeps Ferland motivated to earn that big contract as a UFA. The Flames should benefit from that.
__________________

Fire is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2017, 01:14 PM   #140
Robbob
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood View Post
And IMO this all goes back to McGrattan in the organization.
I think a part of it also goes back to Treliving and how much he cares about his players. McGrattan reached out to Treliving when we was going through his rough patch in Phoenix and it was Treliving that drove McGrattan to those meeting then. I think people in the NHL circles hear these things it speaks to the character of the people in the organization.
Robbob is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Robbob For This Useful Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:44 PM.

Calgary Flames
2023-24




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021