2018 Tennis Thread

[Nadal Fan]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I don't know if Vasek is referring to himself personally (I mean he's made over $5 million in earnings to date and likely a fair bit in endorsements as well), so he should be quite comfortable. Probably just looking out for his fellow players and the young up-and-coming guys.

Vasek's made $360K this year which sounds like a lot but then you have to factor in other expenses. Things like taxes, travel, coaches, accommodations, ect. It's a very uneven playing field when you have players like Serena, Nadal, Djoker and Fed all with well over $100 Million in prize and endorsement money playing young players with less than 1% of that.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Mango

Just waiting for Milos' match to start. Looks like 11:40 a.m. now, but in the meantime, Djokovic dropped the first set versus Mannarino.

I think Joker got angry after losing the first set to the anti-tennis king and wiped Mannarino off the court taking the next two sets by 6-2 and 6-1 set scores.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Milos wins the first set 6-3 and is playing quite well.

That break at 5-5 by Milos might be one of the best series of returns i've ever seen him hit. Three absolutely hammered returns. All over the service game of Jaziri.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So we get Denis / Raonic next?

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So we get Denis / Raonic next?

Yup, this time on the hard court (last meeting was on clay which Denis won).

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Vasek's made $360K this year which sounds like a lot but then you have to factor in other expenses. Things like taxes, travel, coaches, accommodations, ect. It's a very uneven playing field when you have players like Serena, Nadal, Djoker and Fed all with well over $100 Million in prize and endorsement money playing young players with less than 1% of that.

I think Vasek has a residence in the Bahamas as a tax haven, but all the other expenses you listed are certainly valid.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Vasek's made $360K this year which sounds like a lot but then you have to factor in other expenses. Things like taxes, travel, coaches, accommodations, ect. It's a very uneven playing field when you have players like Serena, Nadal, Djoker and Fed all with well over $100 Million in prize and endorsement money playing young players with less than 1% of that.

Most coaches of this calibre of player earn anywhere from $50-$100k per year depending on the arrangement. So yes, you're right, this is a large expense in addition to travel, food, accommodation etc that can be misleading. You have to keep in mind that even after tax and travel, coaching we're still talking about players in the second tier clearing $75-$100k net income a year depending on how successful they are and what kind of endorsement contracts they have, some of which can be very lucrative in addition to winnings.

I don't think it is unfair at all for these types of players to have to pay their dues before getting a sniff of what players in the top 50 bring in let alone outliers like Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Serena etc.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Most coaches of this calibre of player earn anywhere from $50-$100k per year depending on the arrangement. So yes, you're right, this is a large expense in addition to travel, food, accommodation etc that can be misleading. You have to keep in mind that even after tax and travel, coaching we're still talking about players in the second tier clearing $75-$100k net income a year depending on how successful they are and what kind of endorsement contracts they have, some of which can be very lucrative in addition to winnings.

There's an excellent interview with Vasek here:

https://tennis.life/2018/08/14/playe...sil-davis-cup/

It was published yesterday. It's lengthy but well worth the read. I especially appreciate his comments about the Davis Cup changes.

[GirlySports]

There was a comparison that a #100 ranked golfer on the money list makes more than $1 million yet a #100 ranked tennis player makes less than $100,000.

[Nadal Fan]

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-ytd-prize-money-ranking

Here is the YTD prize money for each player.

[Karl]

The rain is absolutely teaming down hard right now in Cincinnati.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Karl

The rain is absolutely teaming down hard right now in Cincinnati.

Really glad that Milos was able to get his match in before the skies opened.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-ytd-prize-money-ranking

Here is the YTD prize money for each player.

For me this brings 2 things to light:

1 - There are still several months of play left in the season to make further earnings for all players, even those ranked 100-200.
2 - The challenger tour has made significant changes so that there will be larger fields and bigger purses for all the 50-200 ranked players on tour moving forward.

If a guy like Dustin Brown, for example was making $500K a year for playing pretty bad tennis all season I don't think that makes much sense either. You should have to be very good to enjoy all the perks and cash in. If prize money rises at the bottom, it will surely rise throughout the rest of the ranks. As it should, with these major tournaments creating record profits of late.

[GirlySports]

and here is the money in golf

http://www.espn.com/golf/moneylist

[Nadal Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

and here is the money in golf

http://www.espn.com/golf/moneylist

Wow it's insane that 108 golfers have made more than $1 Mill while only 26 tennis players have.

[Hockey Fan #751]

So who should we cheer for with Raonic vs. Shapovalov? For all the tennis wizards out there, what would Raonic's ranking be heading into the US Open if he won? How about Shapovalov?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

So who should we cheer for with Raonic vs. Shapovalov? For all the tennis wizards out there, what would Raonic's ranking be heading into the US Open if he won? How about Shapovalov?

not much Shapo from 28 to 27 and Raonic from 26 to 24

[dash_pinched]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1029837295988482048

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

So who should we cheer for with Raonic vs. Shapovalov? For all the tennis wizards out there, what would Raonic's ranking be heading into the US Open if he won? How about Shapovalov?

Tough choice, I just hope neither guy gets injured prior to the US Open. As for who I think will win, I give a slight edge to Milos, I think Denis will be feeling the pressure on his own service games knowing how tough it is to break Milos on hard court. Would not be surprised to see 2 if not 3 sets going to tie-breakers.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

So who should we cheer for with Raonic vs. Shapovalov? For all the tennis wizards out there, what would Raonic's ranking be heading into the US Open if he won? How about Shapovalov?

Also, this is pretty good from Tennis Canada:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1029836211026911235