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Old 10-05-2018, 01:33 PM   #341
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Escalators please. Lots of them. Indoor and outdoor.
VGK new arena concourse.

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Old 10-05-2018, 01:35 PM   #342
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I love the idea of the inverted bowl! What are the odds that this ever happens though? Can we get someone other than Nenshi and Ken King to negotiate?
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Yeah, but Calgary isnt Vegas.

We have this thing, you may have heard of it? Its called Snow.

And the one thing that drives me insane about escalators is the idiots who think its a ride! Keep walking you strugglers!!
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Old 10-05-2018, 01:41 PM   #344
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I love the idea of the inverted bowl! What are the odds that this ever happens though? Can we get someone other than Nenshi and Ken King to negotiate?
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ns-with-flames

"Committee backs plan to restart 'partnership' discussions with Flames".


It's been happening behind the scenes for a little while.
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The latest Victoria Park plan shows the festival street and "Event Plaza". Assuming there are creating a space like Maple Leaf Square.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...+Optimized.pdf

"DECEMBER 2018 Completion of Rivers District Mater Plan". Hopefully includes a wrapped up arena deal.

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Sure, but I suspect since these are the renderings the Event Centre committee is reviewing then it is likely that this is the designer/architect they will turn to when it comes time for the real thing.
Not necessarily. This is just conceptual work for presentation purposes, and more something for the city to show as a massing study for that area than anything else. Since public money will likely be involved, they have to go through a Request for Proposal process (since it's greater than $75,000 in project budget), which means Rossetti will just be one of several firms bidding for the work. I suspect you'll get the heavy hitters from around the architectural world bidding on this one. The actual design of the facility is far, far off. These renderings should have an asterisk on them, really.
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Yeah, but Calgary isnt Vegas.

We have this thing, you may have heard of it? Its called Snow.

And the one thing that drives me insane about escalators is the idiots who think its a ride! Keep walking you strugglers!!
What are you talking about? Escalator IS a ride, damn good one to boot.

And you can just take the stairs if you can't enjoy an escalator ride.
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I like the scale of that rendering, the building feels more approachable, very street level friendly. The retail and restaurants along the side are key to keeping the area popping even on non game days. Really great concept, so much more to be excited about compared to the Calgary next version.
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Old 10-05-2018, 02:39 PM   #349
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What are you talking about? Escalator IS a ride, damn good one to boot.

And you can just take the stairs if you can't enjoy an escalator ride.
The escalators ARE stairs!!

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Yeah, but Calgary isnt Vegas.

We have this thing, you may have heard of it? Its called Snow.

And the one thing that drives me insane about escalators is the idiots who think its a ride! Keep walking you strugglers!!
Suncor building has escalators in the lobby and they seem to operate fine all year round.
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Not necessarily. This is just conceptual work for presentation purposes, and more something for the city to show as a massing study for that area than anything else. Since public money will likely be involved, they have to go through a Request for Proposal process (since it's greater than $75,000 in project budget), which means Rossetti will just be one of several firms bidding for the work. I suspect you'll get the heavy hitters from around the architectural world bidding on this one. The actual design of the facility is far, far off. These renderings should have an asterisk on them, really.
Luckily we have two successes in the Library and Studio Bell RFPs to give us some confidence that CMLC won't allow anything but a high standard of architecture.
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This should be the new standard no matter who ends up building it. Also note the projection ceiling/walls!


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If this and surrounding development moves ahead, this part of Calgary could turn from one of the worst areas to live/work to one of the best.

We need vision, creativity and constructive criticism (only please) from all stakeholders. Let's get 'er done.
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Inverted bowl or nothing!
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CMLC boss says a new arena will come to Victoria Park: 'It's just when does it happen'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ames-1.4852591

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Michael Brown, CEO of CMLC, told the committee that a new arena would be at the heart of a revitalized entertainment district.

Once CMLC has $150 million to spend on improving the area's connections and streetscapes, a properly designed arena would help draw development to the district, he told the committee.

Brown outlined plans to construct a level crossing at 17th Avenue S.E. to open up Stampede Park, build a new underpass at Fifth Street S.E. under the CP Rail tracks, build a new Ninth Avenue bridge over the Elbow River and extend the Riverwalk southward along the Elbow.
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Brown said CMLC is hearing from developers who are interested.

"When the developers call me, hoteliers, residential building developers, when they call, they're all quite excited, but it's similar to the East Village [development]. They're not going to put their foot in first," said Brown.

"They want to see others do that."

When the East Village is built out, Brown estimates it will be generating about $30 million in tax revenues for the city every year.

At full build-out, he sees a potential tax lift from Victoria Park of $50-60 million annually.

For Brown, it's not about whether a new arena is built there.

"There will be an events centre. It's just when does it happen."
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Question: Has an inverted bowl been built yet? Is this concept feasible?
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Question: Has an inverted bowl been built yet? Is this concept feasible?

They've done feasibility studies and Little Caesars Arena in Detroit uses similar concept but not as drastic. More info here:

https://www.architectmagazine.com/te...ng-hierarchy_o


https://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...s-centuries-of

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So the short answer is no. Is being an early adopter for a new design like this a good thing?
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So the short answer is no. Is being an early adopter for a new design like this a good thing?
I don't see a big risk. It comes down to whether or not you think being closer at a steeper angle (almost video game like) is better than being further away. As for the accoustics and sound, I think that could easily be modeled and likely already has been.
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