10-05-2018, 08:53 PM
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#381
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Originally Posted by Scary Eloranta
I want this...
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From 6 to midnight.
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10-05-2018, 09:04 PM
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#382
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by browna
Disagree, that area of town could use something a little bolder. This isn’t some culturally rich, old neighbourhood that you to preserve some character and keeping it ultra low key. It’s less then a half a decade removed from being empty parking lots and abandoned light industrial buildings from the 50s or earlier, where the back alleys where the most popular places with drug users and hookers for the last 3 decades. Now it’s Vancouver style glass condos and chain but don’t call them chain coffee shops in the lower levels.
Doesn’t have to be something off the wall, but it should look like an arena and a civic centerpiece, not a wing of a modern rec center.
Also, always hoped the Honeycombs would play Calgary,and if these renderings are true, wont be long now. Just need someone to pay for it.
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I disagree - I think that cantelevered roof line is striking in itself and the glass invites you to see the activity within the building. The best practice from successfully building around sports facilities, even in quite blank slate redevelopment contexts has been baseball. They are not crazy buildings on their exterior facade. Integration with planned surroundings is a paramount principle. The best examples are places like AT&T Park in San Francisco or Petco Park in San Diego. Very similar contexts in their cities.
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10-05-2018, 10:14 PM
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#383
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by Bunk
I disagree - I think that cantelevered roof line is striking in itself and the glass invites you to see the activity within the building. The best practice from successfully building around sports facilities, even in quite blank slate redevelopment contexts has been baseball. They are not crazy buildings on their exterior facade. Integration with planned surroundings is a paramount principle. The best examples are places like AT&T Park in San Francisco or Petco Park in San Diego. Very similar contexts in their cities.
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Agreed. I’ve been to many massive arenas and stadiums that walking around 3/4 of them is just blank walls, loading bays and blank steel fire rated exit doors.
I haven’t been to Rogers in Edmonton and definitely won’t ever be going but from Sportsnets fascination with overplayed drone cam footage every time they play it looks like most of the interface with the street is uninviting. I should look it up on street view.
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10-05-2018, 10:37 PM
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#384
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by New Era
I hope the inverted bowl concept is a go. Really a unique design for the building. Match it up with the wood/timber esthetic suggested by some, the building could become an impressive show piece. Would really be nice to see something completely different than the urinal up in Shelbyville. Come on Calgary, get er done!
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Yep, I gotta say, having been in Rogers lots of times, it’s not that impressive a building for all the hoopla and taxpayer cash give away. The acoustics are way better than Rexall and the vending is marginally faster (with no improvement in food quality) but they still insist on decanting every drink into plastic cups (even bottled water, ffs) and there’s no cup holders in the upper bowl. Restrooms are a long walk and the aisle dividers mess with sight lines. It seems the only concern of the client was the loge seats and the private boxes. Naturally enough, I guess, peons be damned. Calgary should shoot far higher, and design the building with the average (well monied) fan in mind.
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10-05-2018, 11:27 PM
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#385
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
If the Victoria Park option is back on, it means CSEC blinked and the west-end CalgaryNext is dead? So they're not getting the Katz deal?
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Next was DOA (more accurately it was dead even before arrival). It was never an option. Vic Park was the only spot the city would get on board with.
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10-06-2018, 02:58 AM
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#386
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Aalborg, Denmark
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Agreed. I’ve been to many massive arenas and stadiums that walking around 3/4 of them is just blank walls, loading bays and blank steel fire rated exit doors.
I haven’t been to Rogers in Edmonton and definitely won’t ever be going but from Sportsnets fascination with overplayed drone cam footage every time they play it looks like most of the interface with the street is uninviting. I should look it up on street view.
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Spoiler alert, it looks like the departures level of the least used terminal at a midsized international airport.
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10-06-2018, 03:34 AM
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#387
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Barnet - North London
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Originally Posted by New Era
So the short answer is no. Is being an early adopter for a new design like this a good thing?
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I've sold inverted bowls to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum I've put them on the map!
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10-06-2018, 05:19 AM
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#388
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Canterbury, NZ
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What does "inverted bowl" mean?
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10-06-2018, 07:28 AM
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#389
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Aalborg, Denmark
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Originally Posted by Party Elephant
What does "inverted bowl" mean?
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It's a Rossetti arena concept that stacks a bunch of smaller balcony levels on top of each other instead of a single larger upper bowl. That way the upper rows are a little higher up, but also, a lot closer on the horizontal plane, to the rink. There's a good animation on their website demonstrating the idea. http://theinvertedbowl.com/.
Always a risk being the first to try something, but at the very least, they can more efficiently distribute bathrooms this way.
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10-06-2018, 08:39 AM
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#390
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Party Elephant
What does "inverted bowl" mean?
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10-06-2018, 08:40 AM
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#391
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Retired
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pacific Ocean
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I imagine if the Flames/City went with Rossetti, they could get a pretty good deal. Got to think there would be a pretty big discount to be one of the early adapters of their product
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10-06-2018, 08:42 AM
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#392
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Franchise Player
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One question - where is the broadcast booth in this this type of concept? Also, the boxes?
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10-06-2018, 09:02 AM
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#393
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Franchise Player
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Interesting reading in the Rossetti article that the inverted design has a significantly smaller footprint, uses 22% less steel and is cheaper to heat. Sounds like it could be a win win for an arena that is both cheaper and more functional. And way cool
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10-06-2018, 09:18 AM
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#394
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Franchise Player
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More concourses equal a ten fold increase in the number of dodge rams on display.....
That looks like a very cool concept.
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10-06-2018, 09:23 AM
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#395
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Originally Posted by Bunk
One question - where is the broadcast booth in this this type of concept? Also, the boxes?
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In the one rendering it looks like there are suites halfway up the lower bowl (the stairs go past them and have seats on top of them. Kind of a 'soft separation' of levels by the looks of it.
Then I imagine a couple (or a few) of the balcony sections would be devoted to club seats as well.
I think in theory the idea is pretty damn cool, but it's something where the more I look at it the more skeptical I become. Seems like a great way to maximize premium seating and really price people out (even moreso than a new building with a more traditional layout).
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Originally Posted by socalwingfan
I imagine if the Flames/City went with Rossetti, they could get a pretty good deal. Got to think there would be a pretty big discount to be one of the early adapters of their product
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There isn't much to be saved from the architect's fee I imagine, any savings there would be eaten up pretty quick with potential construction overruns from dealing with the building and engineering of a new style. The savings would come from the reduction in build material needed for the smaller footprint.
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10-06-2018, 09:31 AM
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#396
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Where are the so-called “cheap seats” in this design? Looks like you get a few rows per level at best. Unless the bottom bowl is huge.
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10-06-2018, 09:33 AM
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#397
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Coach
Where are the so-called “cheap seats” in this design? Looks like you get a few rows per level at best. Unless the bottom bowl is huge.
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Oh, when theres a new arena there arent going to be any 'cheap seats' anymore...
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10-06-2018, 09:34 AM
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#398
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by NiklasSundblad
Spoiler alert, it looks like the departures level of the least used terminal at a midsized international airport.
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I think Rogers looks like a flashy new running shoe design and material wrapped around a toilet seat.
Last edited by topfiverecords; 10-06-2018 at 11:17 AM.
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10-06-2018, 09:41 AM
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#399
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Arena Negotiation Discussion v2
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
And Rogers looks like a flashy new running shoe design and material wrapped around a toilet seat. Which do you prefer as a preliminary?
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NiklasSundblad is talking about Rogers Place.
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10-06-2018, 09:47 AM
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#400
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Coach
Where are the so-called “cheap seats” in this design?
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They are going to be the ones in your living room.
That's the double edged sword with new arenas. They are built to maximize revenue, which will inevitably price out a lot of people. Chances are people will go to fewer games, but have it be more of an "experience" when they do.
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