The New Flames RFA Contracts (Lindholm and Hanifin)

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If we get them both for sub 5 million, that leaves us with 15 million in cap space with 9 forwards and 5 defensemen and 1 goalie under contract.



The big RFA's would be Shore, Hathaway and Jankowski, and out of that group, Hathaway might not be someone that you qualify. on defense its Kulak.


So the team would need two more forwards with a possible 12 million in cap space and the next big contracts being Chucky and Bennett.

This team is really in a great position cap wise, and we have lots of players on solid contracts with term. If we buy out Brouwer next year it gets even better with no actual brutal contracts (assuming Tre doesn't do some silly at FA)

Sure last season was disappointing, and every team has holes, but I can't help but feel this team is closer to having everything line up for a deep run.

Getting Hanifin is big, I love Hamilton but I think I'm going to like Hanifin more the longer hes a flame. With the Gio's age I'd like to see Noah locked up long term for somewhere around 5.5 +/- .5 minimum 6 years.
I think Lindholm has earned less than Backlund who just signed his first big contract. I think we give him a hair under 5 mil. Let's say 4.875X6 OR do a young Backlund style Bridge contract 3.5x2

[mrdonkey]

Lindholm 5yrs $5 mil

Hanifin 6yrs $4.75 mil

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes. We would have enough even if we pitched tavares a stupid contract.

we absolutely don't

Players that need contracts

Lindholm 5.5
Hanifin 5
Jankowski 2
Shore 1.5
Kulak 1.5
Rittich 1.5
Hathaway 1.5

Next season

Tkachuk 7 +
Bennett 3

That's 28.5 million, with only 8 million coming of the books next season.

Edit forgot Smith next year

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

we absolutely don't

Players that need contracts

Lindholm 5.5
Hanifin 5
Jankowski 2
Shore 1.5
Kulak 1.5
Rittich 1.5
Hathaway 1.5

Next season

Tkachuk 7 +
Bennett 3

That's 28.5 million, with only 8 million coming of the books next season.

Edit forgot Smith next year

Shore is not getting 1.5
Kulak is not getting 1.5
Rittich is not getting 1.5
Hathaway is not getting 1.5

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Shore is not getting 1.5
Kulak is not getting 1.5
Rittich is not getting 1.5
Hathaway is not getting 1.5

debatable, but there's no way near enough cap room to pay a Tavares either way.

[Tbull8]

If you somehow land tavares, you make it work. If that means losing shore, kulak, rittich, and hathaway, who cares

[soulchoice]

The flames need to ensure they make the cap hits low enough to ensure when its time to re up the other pending players raises and or cap flexibility. Not to ensure they have the dollars to sign guys like Tavares, as there is little to no chance a high end top player like JT would choose Calgary as his destination being a UFA.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

debatable, but there's no way near enough cap room to pay a Tavares either way.

24.5 cap room
Need to sign 9 players

Lindholm - 4.5
Shore - 0.9
Hathaway - 1.0
Jankowski - 2.0

Hanifin - 4.5
Kulak - 1.2
Andersson - 0.755

Gilles - 1.0

That is 14.855 million to fill the roster leaving almost 10 million available for Tavares or other big UFA. Also have the option to buy out Brouwer (save 3 million per) or trade a centre to free up more room and acquire picks. Either Backlund or Jankowski will get you a first rounder, possibly more.

Flames are in a great position cap-wise

[TheoFleury]

Hanifin will get closer to $6m on a 7 year deal, just my opinion. He will point to Hamilton who got 6 x $5.75m from the very same GM, so that's the barometer most likely. Not to mention, the cap is higher now so as a % of the cap Hanifin would be less than Hamilton was at $5.75m, assuming he signs for $6m.

Lindholm should really be a shade under 5 given what he's done to date, but have a feeling we will see 6 x $5.25 for him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Shore is not getting 1.5
Kulak is not getting 1.5
Rittich is not getting 1.5
Hathaway is not getting 1.5

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

debatable, but there's no way near enough cap room to pay a Tavares either way.

No it's not really debatable at all.

Rittich QO - $761,250
Kulak QO - $715,000
Shore QO - $971,250
Hathaway QO - $715,000

Not one of these guys is getting anywhere near $1.5 million AAV this off season.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Hanifin will get closer to $6m on a 7 year deal, just my opinion. He will point to Hamilton who got 6 x $5.75m from the very same GM, so that's the barometer most likely. Not to mention, the cap is higher now so as a % of the cap Hanifin would be less than Hamilton was at $5.75m, assuming he signs for $6m.

Lindholm should really be a shade under 5 given what he's done to date, but have a feeling we will see 6 x $5.25 for him.

Definitely out to lunch with the Hanifin estimate. Dougie was coming off a 42 point season as a 21 year old and a very hot commodity. also was a long term deal based off of that season.

Lindholm is more of a crapshoot. could be anywhere from 4 to 5.25. And Ferland will demand the same at the end of next season.

[Vinny01]

I would be okay going big on both these contracts. 7 years as much as $5M per why not go all in? The Flames moved a core piece, a homegrown fan fav, and top prospect for these 2 players so why not commit fully to the move and lock them up for the max?

[ComixZone]

Noah Hanifin: 7 years, 5M per
Elias Lindholm: 7 years, 5.35M per

Sustainable cap-hits straight through most of their prime years.

[Jacks]

My guess, matching cap hits

Lindholm 6 x 5
Hanifin 7 x 5


Edit: Typo'd 5x5 instead of 6x5 for Lindholm.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

we absolutely don't

Players that need contracts

Lindholm 5.5
Hanifin 5
Jankowski 2
Shore 1.5
Kulak 1.5
Rittich 1.5
Hathaway 1.5

Next season

Tkachuk 7 +
Bennett 3

That's 28.5 million, with only 8 million coming of the books next season.

Edit forgot Smith next year

Lets see how the season plays out...besides for JT you make room

[Brick]

Lindholm 5 x 5
Hanifin 2.5 x 2

[bigrangy]

Elias Lindholm is a 45 point RFA, who has not as of yet demonstrated himself to be anything more. He is worth the following:

3.5 mil for each of his 2 remaining RFA years.
5.5 mil for his 7 UFA years.

So he’d be worth 4.7x5, 4.83x6, or 4.93x7

Anything more is an overpayment, and I wouldn’t even offer him anything but the 7 year deal. Of course, Lindholm’s camp probably expects him to be a 7 million dollar player during his UFA years, so we’ll probably see a stupid contract or salary arbitration. Thanks Sharks.

Hanifin should be bridged, probably a 2 year deal anywhere between 3 and 4 aav.

[Travis Munroe]

I have no idea where some of these numbers are coming from.... Hanifin is projected by many to be better than Dougie and Dougie is a highly ranked d man. There is no reason for Hanifin to accept anything less than 5.5 on a long-term contract.
You also don't want to sign them to a short term deal otherwise you risk completely losing that trade should they walk or having to pony up some huge dollars based on a couple years worth of performance.

Lindholm from age 20-23 is putting up similar numbers to a 26-29 yr old Backlund. I try to get Lindholm on Backlunds 5.3m contract x6 yrs

Hanifin can easily make a case that he is worth 6m per year on a long term deal. It could end up looking like a TJ Brodie great contract in a couple of years (excluding Brodies bad last year). If you can lock Hanifin up for 7 yrs at 5.75m then I jump at it.

These are pretty low risk deals imo as we aren't dealing with someone of age or someone who has a lot of miles racked up such as a Lucic or Ferland. 5.3 and 5.75 are also a bit easier to swallow if they turn into a bust. Fear sets in when we start talking about anything beyond 6m long term as those can become boat anchors for an entire team over the course of a contract.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I have no idea where some of these numbers are coming from.... Hanifin is projected by many to be better than Dougie and Dougie is a highly ranked d man. There is no reason for Hanifin to accept anything less than 5.5 on a long-term contract.
You also don't want to sign them to a short term deal otherwise you risk completely losing that trade should they walk or having to pony up some huge dollars based on a couple years worth of performance.

Lindholm from age 20-23 is putting up similar numbers to a 26-29 yr old Backlund. I try to get Lindholm on Backlunds 5.3m contract x6 yrs

Hanifin can easily make a case that he is worth 6m per year on a long term deal. It could end up looking like a TJ Brodie great contract in a couple of years (excluding Brodies bad last year). If you can lock Hanifin up for 7 yrs at 5.75m then I jump at it.

These are pretty low risk deals imo as we aren't dealing with someone of age or someone who has a lot of miles racked up such as a Lucic or Ferland. 5.3 and 5.75 are also a bit easier to swallow if they turn into a bust. Fear sets in when we start talking about anything beyond 6m long term as those can become boat anchors for an entire team over the course of a contract.

Yeah, especially when you take into account the growth of the salary cap. I put Hanifin at 7 years and $5M, but when you look at that we should be happy if we get him at 5.75M per for 7 years. Lindholm for 7 years at Backlund’s hit (5.35M) seems fair to me.

[Robbob]

I could see Hanifin getting a similar contract that Hamilton signed when he came over. 6 x 5.75. You have to remember the cap has gone up by a fair bit in the 3 year. They have similar numbers at the age Hanifin is now.