Ottawa Players busted on Uber camera badmouthing special team coach

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I would think all video is stored for some time in case of an incident.

I don't disagree that the driver was not acting properly. I still think the players were foolish, though.

UBER has come out quickly and said this is not permitted by it's drivers due to privacy so that is a clear indication it is not ok from both a professional and personal standpoint as I would have assumed. Hopefully this driver is promptly terminated.

I would wager the vast majority of people in this world have said something of poor taste about a boss or co-worker that they later regret in a cab or at a pub after a few drinks. I cannot imagine finding out something like that was recorded and released. Proper or not, the players or anyone for that matter, should not have to worry about being recorded by a cab driver of all people.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

UBER has come out quickly and said this is not permitted by it's drivers due to privacy so that is a clear indication it is not ok from both a professional and personal standpoint as I would have assumed.

I would wager the vast majority of people in this world have said something of poor taste about a boss or co-worker that they later regret in a cab or at a pub after a few drinks. I cannot imagine finding out something like that was recorded and released. Proper or not, the players or anyone for that matter, should not have to worry about being recorded by a cab driver of all people.

What's not permitted? Recording passengers, or releasing the recordings?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by rohara66

What the players said really wasn't even that bad. Their PP and PK does suck.



That uber driver is scum.

You think it's not bad because you agree with their assessment? That's not really why anyone would think it's bad. The comments about not paying attention, and dissing the coaches is what people are going to react to. Are these guys you'd want to coach if you are on another team?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You think it's not bad because you agree with their assessment? That's not really why anyone would think it's bad. The comments about not paying attention, and dissing the coaches is what people are going to react to. Are these guys you'd want to coach if you are on another team?

Depends what you think of Marty Raymond, perhaps.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Depends what you think of Marty Raymond, perhaps.

Not really. That wouldn't be the point.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by rohara66

That uber driver is scum.

Get over yourself Princess.

This has been a digital world for a long time.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not really. That wouldn't be the point.

Well the Flames checked out on Hartley when he was dead man walking, and checked out on Gulutzan when he was dead man walking. We all watched it and it was ugly.

They basically may well have done just what the Ottawa guys talked about. (Maybe they even talked about it in a cab but it so happened that the driver wasn’t a dirtbag.)

Would you want to coach them?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Itse

Btw, is it legal to make any recording like that public?

Because in Finland there's a difference between what you can record and what you can publish. (Which makes sense to me.)

As in, you can record most situations you're in, but releasing your recordings or even showing it to someone else can still breach privacy.

(Sorry of that was already discussed and I just missed it.)

Depends on a few factors, but from my understanding what you can record (both audio and video are different within this) and what you can make public are also different here.

[cannon7]

In most of the U.S., you can record anything if there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. So you can record someone on a public street without their permission as there is no reasonable expectation of privacy on a public street. But you can't do so in a bathroom, for example, as there is a reasonable expectation of privacy in a bathroom, even a public one.

Additionally, you can record without permission if doing so on or within your own property. Same rules apply for reasonable expectation of privacy, but a vehicle is considered private property in the U.S., so this Uber driver can legally record without permission. He may be breaking Uber rules, but he isn't breaking any U.S. laws. If you're in someone else's vehicle, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. However, someone else can't legally record you in your own vehicle without permission since there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when you're in your own vehicle.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Get over yourself Princess.

This has been a digital world for a long time.

So that makes it ok then?

lol

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Get over yourself Princess.

This has been a digital world for a long time.

"Digital World" = secretly recording peoples private conversations and posting it to the internet.


Ok, pal!



Like I said, anyone that pulls that #### is scummy.

[djsFlames]

Digital world automatically means no boundaries on privacy, and that's cool?

Okay then. News to me.

[jlh2640]

This is an invasion of privacy. If you think the Flames dont or havent talked like this then you are naive

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

This is an invasion of privacy. If you think the Flames dont or havent talked like this then you are naive

Privacy in a private vehicle?

ok

[Shazam]

Doctors, lawyers, Uber drivers. Client privilege.

[SuperMatt18]

I think if I was a GM of another team the biggest concern I would have was the company Duchene was stating this in.

If this was Anderson, Duchene, Wideman, Stone, & Zack Smith as a team full of 5 veterans blowing steam that is fine.

But for Duchene and Wideman to be in the taxi with 3 guys that are pretty much rookies in Chabot, Formenton, and Demelo, and a guy who's been there for 15 games in Tierney.

Telling a bunch of other rookies and newcomers that you haven't been paying attention to video for 3 weeks, and acting like it's acceptable is not really an example that's good for the culture of a team.

The more I look at it the more I think it's maybe not a surprise that losing seems to be following Duchene and O'Reilly wherever they go.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Privacy in a private vehicle?

ok

Dude we get it, you understand your State laws.

UBER said it violated terms and conditions. End of conversation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well the Flames checked out on Hartley when he was dead man walking, and checked out on Gulutzan when he was dead man walking. We all watched it and it was ugly.

They basically may well have done just what the Ottawa guys talked about. (Maybe they even talked about it in a cab but it so happened that the driver wasn’t a dirtbag.)

Would you want to coach them?

I didn't hear them publicly dissing Hartley. I heard they took their issues to Treliving. And I heard them take themselves to task when the firings occurred.
So big difference.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What's not permitted? Recording passengers, or releasing the recordings?

I think releasing the recordings (or maybe making any use of them other than for security).

I would think they store them for security reasons and also if there's a fare/credit card dispute, or maybe a dispute about some interaction between driver and passenger. I know I've seen other recordings released where some passenger was acting like an idiot.

[MoneyGuy]

Has the Uber driver been fired yet? How many of us have never spoken bad about an employer?