Trade Deadline Deals: After Round One

[GioforPM]

Looking back, there were a bunch of players that CP wanted, including rentals, on the basis that "this is the year". I don't think any of them would have pushed Calgary across the line, but it's interesting to see what impact they had on the teams that got them:

Kevin Hayes: Cost a 1st, 2nd and Lemieux. Was pretty meh to me and now they are out (and he's a UFA).

Mark Stone (plus Lindberg): Cost 2 players plus a second, and got re-signed. Played well in the POs but they are out. Not a rental, so it's all about him earning his big salary.

Wayne Simmonds: Cost Hartman plus a 4th, played badly and now they are out, and he's a UFA.

Matt Duchene (plus Bergman): Cost 2 players and 2 first round picks. And he's a UFA. But look what happened to him, and Columbus, in the POs!

[neo45]

Fantenberg seems like a waste. Should have just kept Kulak in the AHL for a season and used him as depth, considering he is the better player.

Poor asset management

[Sylvanfan]

There are a few others that pop to my head.

Zucarello has worked for Dallas.
Nyquist in San Jose really wasn't a huge factor in the first round but he's still playing.
Dzingle for Columbus.

St.Louis really didn't do much didn't hurt them. Colorado added Brassard who they scratched after game 2 and played better.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Mark Stone was perhaps the best player in the first round.

But I've said all along that if there was a guy that would have made a difference for Calgary, it was Duchene. Even if the first line had played well, he would have added a lot to the power play. But being able to put him in Monahan's spot might have saved that series for the Flames.

[Sylvanfan]

There are a few others that pop to my head.

Zucarello has worked for Dallas.
Nyquist in San Jose really wasn't a huge factor in the first round but he's still playing.
Dzingle for Columbus.

St.Louis really didn't do much didn't hurt them. Colorado added Brassard who they scratched after game 2 and played better.

[Oling_Roachinen]

The Duchene trade had a conditional first based on if he re-signs so calling him a rental and costing them 2 firsts is inaccurate.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by neo45

Fantenberg seems like a waste. Should have just kept Kulak in the AHL for a season and used him as depth, considering he is the better player.

Poor asset management

Kulak was given an opportunity to play elsewhere, it was more for the player's career than for the organization's selfishness.

[Toonage]

I also think Kulak and the Flames had a bit of a falling out. All the right things were said, but there was something there.

[Flash Walken]

lol

Kevin Hayes 7th on the team in points, 2 goals 1 assist averaging less than 12 minutes per game.

Mark Stone lead his team and the league in playoff scoring with 12 points in 7 games including 2 assists in game 7.

Matt Duchene lead his team in scoring in their heroic upset including 2 points in the elimination game 4. 7 points in 4 games.

Marcus Johnasson Game Winning Goal in game 7 vs the Leafs

Gustav Nyquist 3 assists in 7 games

Matts Zuccarello 3 goals in 6 games

Charlie Coyle 3 goals and an assist including a goal in game 7.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The Duchene trade had a conditional first based on if he re-signs so calling him a rental and costing them 2 firsts is inaccurate.

Fair enough. So he is either a first and a rental or two firsts and not a rental.

He played really well in the four games so far. But Columbus revamped the entire team so its harder to assess one player's impact. And because it was such a short series it's hard to assess as well.

[Flamenspiel]

I think the Flames have to stay the course and hope their picks pan out. There are so many top performances in the 1st round from players that were drafted lower on teams that were already competitive. I am glad that the Flames did not make any moves

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fair enough. So he is either a first and a rental or two firsts and not a rental.

He played really well in the four games so far. But Columbus revamped the entire team so its harder to assess one player's impact. And because it was such a short series it's hard to assess as well.

yeah, tough to assess 7 points in 4 games.

[Flash Walken]

Fantenberg 39 minutes played

[Erick Estrada]

The trade deadline acquisitions are largely a waste of assets for playoff teams. Stone is a little different IMO because him signing a long term deal was part of deal. Had they gave up a 1st round pick for only one round of the playoffs it would have been a disaster. That said the Zuccarello wasn't bad for the Stars especially if they can go further in the playoffs.

[Matata]

I'd be pretty choked right now if Vali was gone and the flames were stuck trying to figure out how to make the Stone/Tkachuk/Neal contracts work, though Stone might have been a difference maker in the playoffs...a couple of timely goals or big defensive plays in games 2&4 and it's a 3-1 series for the flames coming back to home ice....

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol

Kevin Hayes 7th on the team in points, 2 goals 1 assist averaging less than 12 minutes per game.

Mark Stone lead his team and the league in playoff scoring with 12 points in 7 games including 2 assists in game 7.

Matt Duchene lead his team in scoring in their heroic upset including 2 points in the elimination game 4. 7 points in 4 games.

Marcus Johnasson Game Winning Goal in game 7 vs the Leafs

Gustav Nyquist 3 assists in 7 games

Matts Zuccarello 3 goals in 6 games

Charlie Coyle 3 goals and an assist including a goal in game 7.

The Flames/CP weren't interested in most of those guys and therefore I didn't include them. Or am I mistaken and you were advocating to pick up Marcus Johannson? I'd consider most of those guys depth and trade deadline deals for depth for lower picks are just fine with me.

But do you really think that by next season the Jets will think Hayes was a good bargain? The Jets fans I know don't even remember the Stastney deal fondly and he got them to the WCF.

And you haven't even listed the consideration paid, which is a pretty big deal IMO. Zuccarello was cheap. Unless they do well and/or re-sign him, at which time he becomes pretty expensive for a guy producing at middle six levels.

[TheScorpion]

I don't think there would be much hand-wringing about how to make the Stone contract "work." Even at $10 million, there would be plenty of room for his contract.

However, I'm more than happy with Valimaki.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol

Kevin Hayes 7th on the team in points, 2 goals 1 assist averaging less than 12 minutes per game.

Mark Stone lead his team and the league in playoff scoring with 12 points in 7 games including 2 assists in game 7.

Matt Duchene lead his team in scoring in their heroic upset including 2 points in the elimination game 4. 7 points in 4 games.

Marcus Johnasson Game Winning Goal in game 7 vs the Leafs

Gustav Nyquist 3 assists in 7 games

Matts Zuccarello 3 goals in 6 games

Charlie Coyle 3 goals and an assist including a goal in game 7.

Probably could add Wayne Simmonds, who had just been downright awful in Nashville.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Probably could add Wayne Simmonds, who had just been downright awful in Nashville.

Or Brian Boyle who had 2 assists in 3 games coming back from appendicitis surgery.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I also think Kulak and the Flames had a bit of a falling out. All the right things were said, but there was something there.

Everything changed when they actually got to arbitration.

Things were never the same after that, so either the player heard something he didn't like (probable) or the team heard something they didn't like (less likely), and it was a fairly mutual parting of ways.

And for those complaining about the Fantenburg pick-up, he was not here to help the team in round 1. He was here to help the team on a deep run as the inevitable injuries started to appear. That's what depth means. It looks pointless now because the team laid down in 5 games.