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Old 11-13-2019, 07:56 PM   #3081
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No. And this perspective is incredulous. This isn't a private meeting between two private players, this is tax dollars being spent on Alberta officials talking to whomever they choose to talk to. I want to know which people our government is talking to because it matters to me. Do I want them talking to international oil companies? Sure why not. Do I want them talking to organizations repping far-right groups? Hell no. I want to know if I think my tax dollars are being spent talking to the right people to help Albertans. This is not an unfair ask or expectation. For a party that always claims transparency, this would be an easy way to walk that walk instead of hiding their wheeling and dealings.

Even then, what business are we compromising? The UCP has clearly decided to put all their eggs in one basket, what other jurisdiction in Alberta are we competing with that would cause a hit to the economy if people knew who our province was talking to? Which dollars are we potentially losing out on?
Agree to disagree.

Asking to know what individuals, with what companies and what was discussed is like wanting to know who Treliving is speaking to, which teams and what was being offered in a trade deal just because you are a paying season ticket holder.

There is a reason this doesn't become public knowledge. Good luck making a trade next season (or trying to strike a deal with a company) when every other company knows what your leverage points are, where things finished off and why things did or didn't workout.

Not to mention the individual on the other side telling AB to pound sound because they don't want companies X, Y and Z whom they do business with knowing they are opening talks with you or for their investors to be spooked on speculation as to what is coming down the line.

Again, there is a reason that big announcements come as a surprise to many and aren't announced until a fundamental deal is in place.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:59 PM   #3082
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With respect to economics, itís most certainly the case. The average teacher is uneducated with respect to fiscal matters and very few have an understanding of basic finance. Students donít have a chance.
Quite a few assumptions on your part. But assuming for a moment youíre right maybe they should try introducing it to the curriculum rather than pretending as if giving extra money to private schools is going to noticeably address the problem.

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The average person has no clue how wealth is created in a market economy and it is going to be very damaging to our society.
More assumptions on your part. Next are you going to try and convince us all that the average wealthy person knows what conditions the poor live in and how they can get out of their current rut?

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Also - the only reason the NDP is up in arms about this is because charter and private school teachers are not ATA members. If they were, you wouldnít hear a peep, so donít mistake the NDP for virtuous defenders of education.
Another major assumption on your part. The ATA does represent private/charter school teachers, not just those in the public sector. Their opposition has very little to do with the teachers and more to do with corporate welfare for the private system while defunding and allocating funds away from the public system.
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:44 AM   #3083
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:17 AM   #3084
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To clarify what CBC is reporting...

$18,680 was for 4 trips to London where he stayed in the financial district hosting meetings to try and bring investment back to AB.

Given the weaker dollar, $500 a night at a hotel where he is hosting people he is trying to encourage to invest in AB isn't unrealistic.
4 trips, 3-4 days in length is 14 nights or $7,000

Flights to London are easily $1,500 to sit in regular class unless searching for specific deals. That is another $6,000

That leaves $357 a day for everything beyond flight and hotel.
I often find it perplexing that people fudge numbers so much to justify government expenses.

Even from a quick google (and my own experience tells me this is consistently the case), your numbers are all off by a third. You can get a flight to London, even last minute, for under $1000 (and often closer to $700). And staying in the financial district, at a nice hotel, will cost you about $300 at the high end (yes, you can spend more, but weíre then talking luxury above and beyond).

Thatís approx. $7600 dollars for four, four day trips. Give $1000 per trip for expenses and youíre at $11,600. That means thereís $7000 that was needlessly spent.

I donít think this is a big deal, personally, but we donít need to fudge numbers and pretend things cost much more than they do to justify government spending. Letís be honest with even how much a flight costs, at least.
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Some extra details of the trip:
  • Stays at the five-star Chilworth London Paddington Hotel or Kettner's Hotel
  • Total cost of four trips to London is $18,680
  • Reason for going: To secure capital investment for Alberta, but also to counter "the misinformation campaign of defamation" against Alberta's energy sector (according to Harrison Fleming, even though Fleming also confirmed Legg was not on official War Room business)

Full article here: https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...on-travel.html

I would like to see the fruits of those meetings detailed and whether those "investments" came through and if we managed to counter the misinformation campaign.
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:28 AM   #3086
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The City of Calgary says it's possible for council to prohibit graphic anti-abortion displays near schools in order to protect children from having to see disturbing images.
A council committee voted in favour of that idea after hearing stories from school administrators and teachers on Wednesday.
Guidance counsellor Jennifer Moore estimates one quarter of the students at Crescent Heights High School have some kind of trauma in their background, and that abortion protest displays are psychologically damaging for them.
"Some of them shout at the protesters. Some of them hide in the bathroom. Some of them, we've just got to call parents and say, 'They're not feeling safe here today. so we need to get them home,'" Moore said.
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The good times keep rolling with our choo-choo train government and their War Room spectacle:

Inquiry commissioner Steve Allan handed $905K sole-source contract to son's law firm

The commissioner heading Alberta's public inquiry into allegations of foreign-funded reputational attacks on the province's oil and gas industry personally handed $905,000 in legal business to a Calgary law firm in which his son is a partner.

Commissioner Steve Allan granted the sole-source contract, for legal advice to the inquiry, to the law firm Dentons, where his son Toby is a partner. The contract was issued 11 days after Allan was named by Premier Jason Kenney to head the $2.5 million Public Inquiry Into Funding of Anti-Alberta Energy Campaigns.

"I think it's a clear conflict of interest," said Duff Conacher, co-founder of Ottawa-based Democracy Watch.

"Whether any code (of conduct) applies to Steve Allan, or even if his son doesn't financially profit from it, it is his son's company and it is a clear conflict of interest, and (the commissioner) should not have taken part in any decision to hand a contract to Dentons," said Conacher, an adjunct professor of law and political science at the University of Ottawa.


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It should also be noted that Doug Schweitzer is a former partner at Dentons as well. And there was no open competition for the business.
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The good times keep rolling with our choo-choo train government and their War Room spectacle:

Inquiry commissioner Steve Allan handed $905K sole-source contract to son's law firm

The commissioner heading Alberta's public inquiry into allegations of foreign-funded reputational attacks on the province's oil and gas industry personally handed $905,000 in legal business to a Calgary law firm in which his son is a partner.

Commissioner Steve Allan granted the sole-source contract, for legal advice to the inquiry, to the law firm Dentons, where his son Toby is a partner. The contract was issued 11 days after Allan was named by Premier Jason Kenney to head the $2.5 million Public Inquiry Into Funding of Anti-Alberta Energy Campaigns.

"I think it's a clear conflict of interest," said Duff Conacher, co-founder of Ottawa-based Democracy Watch.

"Whether any code (of conduct) applies to Steve Allan, or even if his son doesn't financially profit from it, it is his son's company and it is a clear conflict of interest, and (the commissioner) should not have taken part in any decision to hand a contract to Dentons," said Conacher, an adjunct professor of law and political science at the University of Ottawa.


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It should also be noted that Doug Schweitzer is a former partner at Dentons as well. And there was no open competition for the business.

Now this is an actual scandal. The Saskatchewan and London trips might have bad optics but weren't really big issues, but handing almost a million dollars to your son's law firm without any kind of competitive review? That needs to be a forced resignation immediately
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Now this is an actual scandal. The Saskatchewan and London trips might have bad optics but weren't really big issues, but handing almost a million dollars to your son's law firm without any kind of competitive review? That needs to be a forced resignation immediately
To be fair, telling us the province is broke and having to cut funding to disabled Albertans while at the same time allowing five-star hotel stays and paying guys like Matt Wolf $200k/year to argue on the internet seems like misplaced priorities. It's not a lot of money in the larger scheme of things but for a province that wants to penny-pinch, every bit counts. Plus I care more for the welfare of disabled Albertans who need financial assistance than overpaid politicians but that's just me
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Somewhere Allison Redford is getting a kick out of all this.
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Somewhere Allison Redford is getting a kick out of all this.
You think we would have learned but here we are
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To be fair, telling us the province is broke and having to cut funding to disabled Albertans while at the same time allowing five-star hotel stays and paying guys like Matt Wolf $200k/year to argue on the internet seems like misplaced priorities. It's not a lot of money in the larger scheme of things but for a province that wants to penny-pinch, every bit counts. Plus I care more for the welfare of disabled Albertans who need financial assistance than overpaid politicians but that's just me
This is what I agree with, I understand sometimes you need to spend money to make money. The optics of the situation are poor after announcing cuts to various different services then having reports of stays in 5 star hotels and private jets.
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It seems likely that the stupid, ill-advised, corrupt, and blindly ideological decisions will not cease under this government. I think there should be a saying/meme for it. Any good ideas?
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HAH. People have the memory of gnats when it comes to voting for 'their team'. Anyone who expected the UCP to be appreciably better than the previous Alberta PC party in this regard needs to start sharing the drugs they're on so we can be that disconnected from reality too; maybe it'll make the hurting stop.

Of course, I don't believe for a second that anyone who voted for them actually did think they'd be better than the PCs. But they did swear up and down that they'd be better than the NDP which -- so far -- looks like a losing bet.
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The good times keep rolling with our choo-choo train government and their War Room spectacle:

Inquiry commissioner Steve Allan handed $905K sole-source contract to son's law firm

The commissioner heading Alberta's public inquiry into allegations of foreign-funded reputational attacks on the province's oil and gas industry personally handed $905,000 in legal business to a Calgary law firm in which his son is a partner.

Commissioner Steve Allan granted the sole-source contract, for legal advice to the inquiry, to the law firm Dentons, where his son Toby is a partner. The contract was issued 11 days after Allan was named by Premier Jason Kenney to head the $2.5 million Public Inquiry Into Funding of Anti-Alberta Energy Campaigns.

"I think it's a clear conflict of interest," said Duff Conacher, co-founder of Ottawa-based Democracy Watch.

"Whether any code (of conduct) applies to Steve Allan, or even if his son doesn't financially profit from it, it is his son's company and it is a clear conflict of interest, and (the commissioner) should not have taken part in any decision to hand a contract to Dentons," said Conacher, an adjunct professor of law and political science at the University of Ottawa.


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It should also be noted that Doug Schweitzer is a former partner at Dentons as well. And there was no open competition for the business.
Vetted with government and Dentons...so, itís approved by the parties seeking approval. This government is already an absolute joke.
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Engagement open on Alberta Employment Standards. Get ready for the minimum standards for employers to be reduced:
https://www.alberta.ca/employment-st...ngagement.aspx

If you complete the survey it's pretty clear how they're angling but might as well provide feedback whether you agree or disagree..
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