not saying the Oilers are gonna make it...just that counting them out because of a 94 point record is kinda silly. Wild Card B will very likely be much lower
The hardest type of player to obtain is a #1 center, and they have a 'generational' (in quotes simply due to the fact that he is young and hasn't proven himself yet in some people's eyes as deserving of that tag) one in McDavid.
Any competent organization with McDavid would be building the talent pool around him, and quite frankly, rather easily turning themselves into a contender. Yet here we are - arguing about a hypothetical McDavid trade in order to 'save' a franchise from itself. Year after year, the Oilers are becoming a LESS talented team, and distancing themselves from becoming a perennial playoff team, much less a bona fide contender.
Year after year, the Calgary Flames - without a single #1 overall pick, and only 1 single top 5 pick - have been increasing their talent pool and have come closer to becoming a bona fide contender. How close they really are is debatable to some, but what is not debatable is that Calgary has been doing a heck of a lot more with their draft picks, signings and trades. There is no generational player on Calgary, though Gaudreau is a damn fine player in this league.
Instead of being the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Oilers mostly resemble.. well... the Oilers, since there really is no comparably terrible team that has had such an elite talent in the organization before. I can't think of a single team off the top of my head. Not one.
I used to hate the Oilers because they were undeservedly good (if you follow history and how they entered the NHL), and how they used to beat up on the Flames both on the scoreboard and physically on the ice. Now I enjoy watching their games with such chiadenfreude, it makes me gitty.
A McDavid trade would garner the Oilers a complete franchise-altering accumulation of assets. However, I fully trust them to completely piss them away just like they have done in the last decade.
Nothing can save the Oilers. A franchise generational player didn't save the Oilers. A bevy of inexperienced and experienced coaches didn't save the Oilers. Nothing that this organization does will save themselves. They are paying for their previous cups that they have won - not for winning them, but for how they built the team that won them. May they continue to provide a lot of giggles to us Flames fans, even though they won tonight.
I still hate them, but I look forward to their games with glee, but they do cause me some pain. My gut can't stand 3 periods of laughing any longer. I must have pulled something during the last San Jose - Oilers game.
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I was watching the OT, and had to laugh when McDavid wound up from below his own blueline and attempted to just fly past everyone all by himself, looking ridiculous once he was caught and forced to go behind the Panthers net. That's like an instruction video of his entire gameplan. If nothing else works, go for a skate.
When you can take the Panthers to OT and win in the shootout you know you’re just one or two pieces away. Time to start acquiring those rentals before the market gets thin at the deadline.
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The hardest type of player to obtain is a #1 center, and they have a 'generational' (in quotes simply due to the fact that he is young and hasn't proven himself yet in some people's eyes as deserving of that tag) one in McDavid.
Any competent organization with McDavid would be building the talent pool around him, and quite frankly, rather easily turning themselves into a contender. Yet here we are - arguing about a hypothetical McDavid trade in order to 'save' a franchise from itself. Year after year, the Oilers are becoming a LESS talented team, and distancing themselves from becoming a perennial playoff team, much less a bona fide contender.
Year after year, the Calgary Flames - without a single #1 overall pick, and only 1 single top 5 pick - have been increasing their talent pool and have come closer to becoming a bona fide contender. How close they really are is debatable to some, but what is not debatable is that Calgary has been doing a heck of a lot more with their draft picks, signings and trades. There is no generational player on Calgary, though Gaudreau is a damn fine player in this league.
Instead of being the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Oilers mostly resemble.. well... the Oilers, since there really is no comparably terrible team that has had such an elite talent in the organization before. I can't think of a single team off the top of my head. Not one.
I used to hate the Oilers because they were undeservedly good (if you follow history and how they entered the NHL), and how they used to beat up on the Flames both on the scoreboard and physically on the ice. Now I enjoy watching their games with such chiadenfreude, it makes me gitty.
A McDavid trade would garner the Oilers a complete franchise-altering accumulation of assets. However, I fully trust them to completely piss them away just like they have done in the last decade.
Nothing can save the Oilers. A franchise generational player didn't save the Oilers. A bevy of inexperienced and experienced coaches didn't save the Oilers. Nothing that this organization does will save themselves. They are paying for their previous cups that they have won - not for winning them, but for how they built the team that won them. May they continue to provide a lot of giggles to us Flames fans, even though they won tonight.
I still hate them, but I look forward to their games with glee, but they do cause me some pain. My gut can't stand 3 periods of laughing any longer. I must have pulled something during the last San Jose - Oilers game.
Maybe the Islanders with Tavares. But the Oilers have taken it to a whole other level.
Caller on CHED: "McDavid, Draisaitl, Da Nuge and Nurse are awesome. What can Hitch do to get more out of the bottom-six and turn the Oilers into a playoff team?"
Beers on a train! I'm surprised gully hasn't suggested it yet.
Nothing can save the Oilers. A franchise generational player didn't save the Oilers. A bevy of inexperienced and experienced coaches didn't save the Oilers. Nothing that this organization does will save themselves. They are paying for their previous cups that they have won - not for winning them, but for how they built the team that won them. May they continue to provide a lot of giggles to us Flames fans, even though they won tonight.
The Oilers remind me of the Calgary Stampeders after Wally Buono left and before John Hufnagel took over (2003-2007). The football decisions were horrible and the team wasn't being run like a football team but like a toy for the owner and his family.
The Oiler's owner and his family are running this team like a toy... the owner is not hiring mangers for their management skills, but rather he's hiring his boyhood hockey idols for his own ego and so he can hang out with them and impress them. It's a classical mid-life crisis scenario.
So the Oilers... just like the Stampeders, can be saved... they just need to cure the real cause of their problems and not just go after some fringe symptom and/or scapegoat excuse. In 2005, the Stampeder's owner sold the team to what has now become the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (formerly Calgary Flames Limited Partnership). They quickly cleaned house of all ineffective management and started running the team like an actual football team. In Edmonton.... you need Katz to do the same, he doesn't necessarily have to sell the team, but he needs to purge all (or most) of the management team, and rid the team of all his former idols (and I mean ALL). The problem with having subordinates as idols is that you don't really manage them, you let them convince you that the problems lie elsewhere and they really control you (Katz).
After the purge, Katz needs to step away from all day to day operations and let his new management team run the team like an actaul hockey team. His boy can't greet new draft picks on draft day - that's not stepping away, his entire family needs to step away. Only then... can the Edmonton Oilers begin to recover and win again - just like the Stamps did. It's a hard lesson to learn, but they can be saved, but not until these drastic measures are taken.
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The problem with having subordinates as idols is that you don't really manage them, you let them convince you that the problems lie elsewhere and they really control you (Katz).
Oh.... and if you need proof of this, look no further then that press conference posted here by Textcritic (posted below again). We all joke about how lame MacT and Lowe's excuses are during that presser... but there is only one person who they needed to convince (Katz), and they did just that, they also convinced many Oilers fans along the way, and that's because they all have one thing in common - they idolized them when they were younger (MacT, Lowe, Gretzky, etc.). I mean come on - who in their right mind would ever think that the problems with the Oilers today has anything to do with the fact that they won championships over 25 years ago... it's just nonsensical.
Human nature.... or more like man nature.... some boys like to fix things that are broken. Will they listen..... I don't think so.
I remember getting so mad at the Stamps for falling into the exact same trap... it only took the Stamps about 5 years to get out.... the Oilers have been in the trap for well over a decade and counting.
Human nature.... or more like man nature.... some boys like to fix things that are broken. Will they listen..... I don't think so.
I remember getting so mad at the Stamps for falling into the exact same trap... it only took the Stamps about 5 years to get out.... the Oilers have been in the trap for well over a decade and counting.
Hiring Matt Dunigan to coach... I remember watching what Matt did as a coach and was just speechless as I was thinking "who would do that, that makes no sense at all". Probably the worst coach I have seen in any sport - I would be better, and that's saying a lot.
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