Sam Bennett is a Beast

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Wow Bingo.

That certainly passes the eye test for me in terms of what I've seen from Jankowski and Neal.

Can you run the figures for the DAG line?

If the eye test holds up on that as well, I'm thinking Jankowski and Neal need to be stapled to the 8 minutes a night club.

Hathaway is the 7th best skater at 44.8%, Mangiapane at 9th at 42.3% and Derek Ryan 13th at 40.2%.

They're better than Jankowski, but not a huge gap above Neal.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Gonna have to be a 3 line team then.

I think you could still be a 4 line team - I don't think Janko is a top 9 center on a playoff contender though, especially with Neal on his wing.

I'd try to load up our center ice position in the playoffs:

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Bennett
Tkachuk - Backlund - Jankowski
Dube - Monahan - ???
Mangiapane - Ryan - ???

The two ??? spots can be filled with Neal, Frolik, Hathaway. Dube enters the lineup to inject some much needed speed and tenacity.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hathaway is the 7th best skater at 44.8%, Mangiapane at 9th at 42.3% and Derek Ryan 13th at 40.2%.

They're better than Jankowski, but not a huge gap above Neal.

Is Janko the worst centre in the playoffs right now in those categories?

[GranteedEV]

Bennett's non/tertiary-assist on the Brodie goal



Such a nice puck rush.

He's wasted on the wing. Your best puck rushing centers should play down the middle.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bennett's non/tertiary-assist on the Brodie goal



Such a nice puck rush.

He's wasted on the wing. Your best puck rushing centers should play down the middle.

You've been beating this drum for a while and at first I didn't agree, but with the progress he's made this year in his overall game under Peters I agree that he should be moved to center.

Not sure I'd be making that change now but I think it would be good to try him again at center starting in pre-season next year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Gonna have to be a 3 line team then.

I agree. This is what I'd do for game 4

Leave line 1 even though that won't be popular decision
Tkachuk backlund Bennett I'd give these guys most ice time
Mangipane Ryan Hathaway same line but 3rd in ice now
Neal jankowski frolik frolik on pk and sub in for Hathaway at times

Jankowski and neal less than 10 mins if they don't come out flying game 4

Gio anderson
Hanifin hamonic
Fantenberh stone or valimaki. Could use more size in this series. But doubt brodie sits

Imo if the Flames want to turn this around our best line needs to be out vs MacKinnon. I also love the idea that MacKinnon needs to keep his head up with Sam on the ice. Tkachuk and Bennett need to rough him up

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree. This is what I'd do for game 4

Leave line 1 even though that won't be popular decision
Tkachuk backlund Bennett I'd give these guys most ice time
Mangipane Ryan Hathaway same line but 3rd in ice now
Neal jankowski frolik frolik on pk and sub in for Hathaway at times

Jankowski and neal less than 10 mins if they don't come out flying game 4

Gio anderson
Hanifin hamonic
Fantenberh stone or valimaki. Could use more size in this series. But doubt brodie sits

Didnt we see Tkachuck-Backlund-Bennett during the regular season and,if I remember correctly, the results weren't good. I would move him to #1RW and slide Lindholm to #1C, he can create space and havoc for JG to set up Lindholm. Not sure where Mony fits then though.

[tknez16]

My lines:

Bennett-Monahan-Lindholm
Bennett can drag the other two into the game more, and can help Monahan simplify his game.

Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
This has still been fairly effective.

Gaudreau-Jankowski-Neal
Maybe Johnny can get away from the tight checking more and feed the two shooters

Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway
Don't mess with a good thing.

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone

New bottom pair with more physicality from Stone.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Didnt we see Tkachuck-Backlund-Bennett during the regular season and,if I remember correctly, the results weren't good. I would move him to #1RW and slide Lindholm to #1C, he can create space and havoc for JG to set up Lindholm. Not sure where Mony fits then though.

Bennett is a different player in the playoffs. It's a trend since his rookie season.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You've been beating this drum for a while and at first I didn't agree, but with the progress he's made this year in his overall game under Peters I agree that he should be moved to center.

Not sure I'd be making that change now but I think it would be good to try him again at center starting in pre-season next year.

I'd go with a Quine - Bennett - Neal Line for Game 4.

Janko has been unimpressive so far and weak on the puck.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by tknez16

My lines:

Bennett-Monahan-Lindholm
Bennett can drag the other two into the game more, and can help Monahan simplify his game.

Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
This has still been fairly effective.

Gaudreau-Jankowski-Neal
Maybe Johnny can get away from the tight checking more and feed the two shooters

Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway
Don't mess with a good thing.

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone

New bottom pair with more physicality from Stone.

No way you put gaudreau with those 2 right now. He needs to figure it out or we are done

[IliketoPuck]

What about:

Gaudreau - Bennett - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Ryan - Monahan - Frolik
Hathaway - Jankowski - Neal

Bennett and Lindholm to open space for Johnny. Mangiapane to keep plays alive, add more offensive spark to line 2. Ryan and Frolik to keep a simplified style game, with Monahan as the finisher. 4th line to take 6 mins a night.

[Macho0978]

Colorado is playing there top guys huge minutes. Maybe it burns them down the road but it's time to bench the guys that are floating out there. Neal seems to be trying but jankowski is 3 steps behind the game right now. No way hes playing with Johnny and getting more ice. Time to find 3 lines and sit guys. I'm ok with the Ryan line getting 15 to 17 mins if they keep playing well

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

What about:

Gaudreau - Bennett - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Ryan - Monahan - Frolik
Hathaway - Jankowski - Neal

Everytime Peter's puts all the lines in the blender it never works. Way too much mixing it up

What he has done well all season is motivating guys. Healthy scratch or 3rd period benching to light a spark. Times to up ice to guys playing well

[tknez16]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Colorado is playing there top guys huge minutes. Maybe it burns them down the road but it's time to bench the guys that are floating out there. Neal seems to be trying but jankowski is 3 steps behind the game right now. No way hes playing with Johnny and getting more ice. Time to find 3 lines and sit guys. I'm ok with the Ryan line getting 15 to 17 mins if they keep playing well

Who said anything about getting more icetime?

I just see Johnny's soft play as the reason the top line is unsuccessful and felt that my change was the best way to bring some jam to line 1 and at the same time try to stimulate more from Janko and Neal.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is Janko the worst centre in the playoffs right now in those categories?

He's third worst.

Tyler Pitlick and Kuznetsov are worse. Joe Thornton just behind.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sam Bennett summary through three games.

Expected goals for an against per 60

With Neal and Jankowski
14.2 minutes
xGF 0.98
xGA 2.04
-1.06

With one of Neal or Jankowski
2.9 minutes
xGF 0.41
xGA 3.89
-3.48

With neither Neal or Jankowski
7.9 minutes
xGF 3.12
xGA 1.68
+1.45

#FreeBennett

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Didnt we see Tkachuck-Backlund-Bennett during the regular season and,if I remember correctly, the results weren't good. I would move him to #1RW and slide Lindholm to #1C, he can create space and havoc for JG to set up Lindholm. Not sure where Mony fits then though.

They were actually good in underlying numbers but without finish. Expected goals for % of 55% through 200 minutes.

Six combinations had success this year (55%+)

1. DAG Line - 63% 228 minutes
2. 3M - 59% 414 minutes
3. Czarnik/Janko/Bennett - 58% only 100 minutes
4. Gaudreay/Monahan/Tkachuk - 55% 83 minutes
5. Top Line - 55% 812 minutes
6. Tkachuk/Backlund/Bennett - 55% 195 minutes

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by tknez16

Who said anything about getting more icetime?

I just see Johnny's soft play as the reason the top line is unsuccessful and felt that my change was the best way to bring some jam to line 1 and at the same time try to stimulate more from Janko and Neal.

Not sure how they wouldn't get more ice playing with gaudreau? Unless your benching Johnny? I get it hes been as bad as anyone but he needs to figure it out. Not going anywhere until he does. This team can go far without jankowski and neal and they do not deserve to be on the ice more. No way I'm worrying about getting them going

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Gonna have to be a 3 line team then.

exactly. Peters has no choice but to go with three lines now. Janko, Neal and Monahan are total liabilities out there.