[News] Blackhawks officially announce a rebuild

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Send them both home.

Toews to Winnipeg and Kane to Buffalo

A line of Eichel, Kane, and Hall would be very intriguing to see.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I rarely do this, and I am sure it is about to become apparent why:

To Calgary:

Kane ($1.0 million retained)
Keith ($2.5 million retained)

To Chicago:

Hanifin
Mangiapane
Rittich
Ryan
2021 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick (becomes a 2022 1st if the Flames make the SCF in 2021 or 2022)


Justification:

The cap hit is a wash (considering that the Flames will need to add a min. salaried forward and goalie after the trade)

The Hawks need a goalie with some potential upside.

The Hawks will want a young, cost-controlled forward and defenseman back.

Ryan comes off the books next season, so while he wouldn't be valuable for their rebuild, he wouldn't hinder it. Plus, he could have some value at the trade deadline.

Draft picks are to convince the Hawks to retain salary (basically buying draft picks that may be on the roster by the time the rebuild is over), and to take Ryan from us.

While Keith is not the player he was, he would fill the gap left by Hanifin and IMO, is still an OK player.


Why it is a long shot:

Kane and Keith unlikely to waive NMCs.

It's pretty big disruption to chemistry giving up that many roster players at once.

Chicago likely does not care about possible later round 1sts to retain that much. Teams with more cap space can offer similar deals while retaining less.

Giving up potentially two 1sts puts us squarely in win-now and mortgages the future.

Because every trade proposal I make is just awful.

The cap hit may be a wash in year 1, but not in years 2 and 3. And even in year 1, you still have to add 2 other players to the roster, so it isn't a wash.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The cap hit may be a wash in year 1, but not in years 2 and 3. And even in year 1, you still have to add 2 other players to the roster, so it isn't a wash.

I adjusted for adding two replacement level players (goalie and a forward).

Cap hit would be retained for each year remaining, but for sure there would be potential issues as Tkachuk needs to be re-signed.

[camm13]

Keith is 37. Gio is 37.

[Firebot]

Rebuild? But they just beat the self proclaimed Stanley Cup champions so bad they never made the playoffs.

[calumniate]

Kane for johnny g, more or less? Hawks then deal with philly

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would consider a lottery protected 1st in that deal.

What other offers do you think teams will make? In order to fit that contract in teams will have to send back toxic contracts and high end prospects.

My offer has no bad contracts and is 2 top 5 picks under 25 (not lived up to potential but still good players)

add the lottery protected 1st and I'd probably make the deal if I were the Hawks GM. mostly because I don't think he'll have too many people knocking at the door in these covid, cap restrained times.

Hanifin as you say hasn't perhaps lived up to potential, but I agree he's still a good player.
Bennett hasn't shown enough to make me want him on my team if I was a GM. he's shown glimpses of "getting it" in the past, but still hasn't stepped up his game enough to show he's anything more than a bottom 6 player. which isn't what I'd want as a major piece when dealing Toews to rebuild.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by camm13

Keith is 37. Gio is 37.

Yea we should have no interest in Kieth IMO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Kane for johnny g, more or less? Hawks then deal with philly

From my perspective, I would get Kane specifically to see what he and JG could do together.

Gaudreau looks up to him and Kane has won it all while being a consistent contributor. I think he could really elevate Johnny.

The fact is though, getting Kane would probably mean tough choices in the long run when it comes to retaining other players, Gaudreau included.

For the next couple of years, it would be pretty frickin cool though. Given that the world is ending anyway, I would go for it.

[Bleeding Red]

With only 3 yrs left on their contracts, and the actual cash payout far less than the cap hit (that $5M 20-21 bonus has already been paid) I think the chances of CHI retaining any salary on Toews or Kane is a pipe dream. A re-building CHI will want as much cap space as possible for the rebuild and Seabrook and Kieth are virtually un-tradable.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Toews would be the best offensive centre on the Flames? I think to make that work though we would have to send Backlund the other way, since they would fill a similar role.

Toews, of course plays the shut down rile on the Hawks, vs. the other teams best players.

He only plays with Kane on the PP.

You give Towes the soft matchups playing with Johnny and he'd score more points.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I feel like they improved their team in the off-season? Other than in net. Saad for Zadorov was a great trade IMO.


Team as it is composed is not gonna tank.

Really?

The Blackhawks were really bad last year. They finished 12th in the west. Even then a huge part of them even finishing that high was because they got stellar goaltending from Lehner and Crawford. A tandem of two bonafide number 1’s.

They are going into next season with Subban and Delia

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

With only 3 yrs left on their contracts, and the actual cash payout far less than the cap hit (that $5M 20-21 bonus has already been paid) I think the chances of CHI retaining any salary on Toews or Kane is a pipe dream. A re-building CHI will want as much cap space as possible for the rebuild and Seabrook and Kieth are virtually un-tradable.

I disagree. Chicago does not need cap space for a rebuild, they are much better retaining a bunch and getting a much better return.

Keith's cap hit is only about $5M for 3 years, salary much lower. A Keith at half cap would be desired by many teams trying to win the Cup.

[TheScorpion]

I think Chicago has a very very good chance of finishing 31st next year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I disagree. Chicago does not need cap space for a rebuild, they are much better retaining a bunch and getting a much better return.

Keith's cap hit is only about $5M for 3 years, salary much lower. A Keith at half cap would be desired by many teams trying to win the Cup.

Totally agree. Keith is overpaid at this point, although it was a sweetheart of a deal when it was signed. But he is still a good player. I don't think he is finished at this point. For a cap hit of $3 million or less, I would have no problem throwing the dice.

I believe he is a pretty respected leader as well and always seems to be fit.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I disagree. Chicago does not need cap space for a rebuild, they are much better retaining a bunch and getting a much better return.

Keith's cap hit is only about $5M for 3 years, salary much lower. A Keith at half cap would be desired by many teams trying to win the Cup.

I don't see Kieth waiving his NMC to leave CHI. After 19 yrs & 3 cups I think he'll stay and mentor the young guys for a couple of years. It'll be a lifestyle issue, not a winning the SC issue with him.


Toews & Kane are still pretty young. Last year was not their worst, career wise (whereas Kieth's last year was his worst). There is a lot of value in those guys, even without retaining any salary.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I don't see Kieth waiving his NMC to leave CHI. After 19 yrs & 3 cups I think he'll stay and mentor the young guys for a couple of years. It'll be a lifestyle issue, not a winning the SC issue with him.


Toews & Kane are still pretty young. Last year was not their worst, career wise (whereas Kieth's last year was his worst). There is a lot of value in those guys, even without retaining any salary.

Well, the issue wasn't whether he would leave Chicago, it was whether anyone would want him.

I don't know, a chance to finish his career on a contender with Kane and/or Toews might be pretty appealing. As opposed to being the last guy standing.

All three were beasts in the playoffs, even better than during the season. They could certain be major contributors to a teams playoff chances.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I don't see Kieth waiving his NMC to leave CHI. After 19 yrs & 3 cups I think he'll stay and mentor the young guys for a couple of years. It'll be a lifestyle issue, not a winning the SC issue with him.


Toews & Kane are still pretty young. Last year was not their worst, career wise (whereas Kieth's last year was his worst). There is a lot of value in those guys, even without retaining any salary.

True, I am sure they don't want to go full-Oilers. I am a believer that you need good veterans in place to help develop good professionals. Keith could be that guy for the Hawks if he is happy with it. It's a pretty respectable way to round out a solid career with one team. The circle would be complete.

He was apparently one of the four Hawks that were recently complaining about the team rebuilding right now. He said they feel they have more Cups in them.

[FlamesAddiction]

I will repost these stories in case anyone missed them, as it seems the Hawks fired a warning shot for the four veterans that said they are against rebuilding, but also refusing to be traded. It feels like a Mexican standoff.

https://www.nhl.com/news/blackhawks-...am/c-319428064

https://theathletic.com/2130237/2020...toews-its-sad/


The Score.ca is reporting that it isn't just Toews, but the core group of veterans including Kane, Keith and Seabrook.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2037605

I guess none of them want to part of a rebuild at this point in their careers. Toews sounds the whiniest of them though.

[Vinny01]

I feel like Toews would be a great add to drag this team through a playoff series. The guy is so overpaid but a total gamer.