Jay Feaster update (Stan Fischler interview)

[Burke Salad]

Are people stating we are trending in the right direction because of the big "name" prospects we have on paper? That is how Edmonton viewed the beginning of there re-build's.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Ugh, I suck. I didn't realize Stryker made up that quote. Your a dick Steve

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

Are people stating we are trending in the right direction because of the big "name" prospects we have on paper? That is how Edmonton viewed the beginning of there re-build's.

The difference between them and us is that they gave the keys to the city to their big "name" prospects.

Baertschi plays in the AHL, Monahan clearly earned a top 6 role, Brodie more than earned playing time with the captain and all signs point to Bennett playing with Kingston next year.

We are not Edmonton.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Split98

Every single successful person has made a mistake. And I'd much rather go with a GM willing to take the occasional risk than one that always goes with the safe bet. It is very easy to point and laugh at the Cervenka signing now, but at the time it was a very interesting grab with potential to be quite a steal... and it cost us nothing. We had 2 Czech born players on the team to help him acclimate, and we were even talking about bringing Jagr in to play with him. There was skepticism, absolutely, but there was also excitement in 'what IF this guy works out?'. It was a good signing, and I really wouldn't hold it against him that Cervenka didn't work out. The dude had a blood clot and missed training camp. Pretty tough to learn a new league and teammates you can't talk to when you miss all of training camp.

I'm confused, are you arguing that the drafting was poor under Feaster? Personally, I'm very happy with his draft results and am expressing that I'm impressed he had the self awareness to let people he trusted advise him on who to draft... which worked out very well. And last I checked, Feaster didn't draft Regehr...

I think the point that Vulcan is trying to say is, because Feaster isn't a "hockey guy" he doesn't know a center from a winter. Feaster is lucky that he got a talented team of scouts (Poirer, Gaudreau) but unlucky with others (Weisbrod). I think Feaster admitted that he never watched Cervenka or Jankowski play, so while IMO you can't pin either of those transactions on him, its a little frightening when the guy at the top of the food chain doesn't really know the industry so all he can do is hope that his team knows what they are doing. Which IMO is kind of the summary of Feaster's tenure..... the good he did was listen to his experts, the bad is he had to listen to his experts.... and as a result you saw a lot of flip flopping as he is trying to figure out which direction to be a yes-man in. Which I guess is kind of funny, that that summation of all his screw ups forced us to rebuild and get a few top picks. If Feaster was a little better at his job, we might still be stuck with Iginla and trying to make the playoffs.

[polak]

I will say that I'm faaaar more worried about our drafting with the current regime versus Feaster and Co.

I guarantee the days of taking a chance on a Gaudreau are over. Just look at this draft. Outside of Bennett we picked size over higher ceilings with pretty much every pick.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by polak

I will say that I'm faaaar more worried about our drafting with the current regime versus Feaster and Co.

I guarantee the days of taking a chance on a Gaudreau are over. Just look at this draft. Outside of Bennett we picked size over higher ceilings with pretty much every pick.

Nm

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by New Era

Feaster gets an awful bad go of it here. Go through our prospect list and think of how they got here.

1. Gaudreau - Feaster
2. Bennett - - Burke/Treliving
3. Baertschi - Feaster
4. Poirier - Feaster (traded for pick)
5. Granlund - Feaster
6. Klimchuk - Feaster (traded for pick)
7. Wotherspoon - Feaster
8. Reinhart - Sutter
9. Ortio - Sutter
10. Gillies - Feaster
11. Jankowski - Feaster
12. Sieloff - Feaster (traded for pick)
13. Arnold - Sutter
14. Knight - Feaster (sign as a FA)
15. Ferland - Sutter

For having the job for only 1255 days he managed to restock our system to where we have incredible depth. That was pretty impressive given the scorched earth Sutter left behind as he continued to try and build a team around Iginla when his best-before date had expired. When you look at our future and see it looking so bright, remember to thank Jay Feaster. He was integral in restocking the system.

I'll wait to see how many of these guys pan out before I crown him. Just by default the guy who was the GM for the four year's previous is going to have acquired most of the prospects.

He was hired as the GM internally. He should have known that the team needed to rebuild well before they did. I'd much rather be competing for a playoff spot with a rebuild near completion than waiting another 2 years so we aren't going to be in the mix until 2016.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think the point that Vulcan is trying to say is, because Feaster isn't a "hockey guy" he doesn't know a center from a winter. Feaster is lucky that he got a talented team of scouts (Poirer, Gaudreau) but unlucky with others (Weisbrod). I think Feaster admitted that he never watched Cervenka or Jankowski play, so while IMO you can't pin either of those transactions on him, its a little frightening when the guy at the top of the food chain doesn't really know the industry so all he can do is hope that his team knows what they are doing. Which IMO is kind of the summary of Feaster's tenure..... the good he did was listen to his experts, the bad is he had to listen to his experts.... and as a result you saw a lot of flip flopping as he is trying to figure out which direction to be a yes-man in. Which I guess is kind of funny, that that summation of all his screw ups forced us to rebuild and get a few top picks. If Feaster was a little better at his job, we might still be stuck with Iginla and trying to make the playoffs.

True, and how much Feaster knew about talent without advice wasn't really determined. I guess that brings into question what you want in a GM. I always thought it was kind of cool having someone such as Feaster with a legal background. He walked into talks with agents with far more knowledge than most GMs and you have to imagine that he has a different way of approaching trade negotiations than other GMs do. Question is, is that a bad thing? I never saw it as such, because he also did a great job surrounding himself with people he trusted and picking the pieces of advice he wanted to act on.

Our current regime has a GM with 2 AGMs advising him the scouting staff offering the same advice Feaster received and Burke above him as a sounding board. I don't have a problem with the GM being the funnel of all of that intel and advice, he just needs to be good at managing that which I'm saying think Feaster was.

Let me put it another way.

Jobs:


Ives:

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^^^ I don't get this reference.

[Phanuthier]

Neither do I. I was hoping someone else would comment on it that would clearify it...

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Husky

So funny to read. Feaster can't get credit for drafting cause he basically listened to scouts. Yet I bet on the ror fiasco he probably relied on CBA specialists who screwed up ...yet feaster gets the blame.

Feaster doent come from a hockey background. In terms of evaluating talent he probably isn't the best. He is however a lawyer. He should have no trouble knowing the CBA inside and out since that would be his speciality and his job.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by New Era

Feaster gets an awful bad go of it here. Go through our prospect list and think of how they got here.

1. Gaudreau - Feaster
2. Bennett - - Burke/Treliving
3. Baertschi - Feaster
4. Poirier - Feaster (traded for pick)
5. Granlund - Feaster
6. Klimchuk - Feaster (traded for pick)
7. Wotherspoon - Feaster
8. Reinhart - Sutter
9. Ortio - Sutter
10. Gillies - Feaster
11. Jankowski - Feaster
12. Sieloff - Feaster (traded for pick)
13. Arnold - Sutter
14. Knight - Feaster (sign as a FA)
15. Ferland - Sutter

For having the job for only 1255 days he managed to restock our system to where we have incredible depth. That was pretty impressive given the scorched earth Sutter left behind as he continued to try and build a team around Iginla when his best-before date had expired. When you look at our future and see it looking so bright, remember to thank Jay Feaster. He was integral in restocking the system.

Only 1255 days? thats 3.5 years, he better have re-stocked the cupboards seeing how terrible the team was in that span.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

^^^ I don't get this reference.

Jobs is not very good at product design, and admired Ives' work. Yet, Jobs is regarded as one of the greatest product innovators of all time. Ives is a gigantic part of that.

Having Ives wasn't a weakness of Jobs' it was a strength. If anything, Jobs taking away control from Ives was oftentimes blunders in Apple design (iOS heavy skeuomorphism was urged on by Jobs against Ives' wishes allegedly).

Feaster having great Intel and acting on it appropriately should be viewed a weakness; in the same way we would view the iPhone a great achievement of Jobs'. Yet, at the time, touch screen smart phones were available. What made the iPhone a success was Ives. 100%.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by New Era

Feaster gets an awful bad go of it here. Go through our prospect list and think of how they got here.

1. Gaudreau - Feaster
2. Bennett - - Burke/Treliving
3. Baertschi - Feaster
4. Poirier - Feaster (traded for pick)
5. Granlund - Feaster
6. Klimchuk - Feaster (traded for pick)
7. Wotherspoon - Feaster
8. Reinhart - Sutter
9. Ortio - Sutter
10. Gillies - Feaster
11. Jankowski - Feaster
12. Sieloff - Feaster (traded for pick)
13. Arnold - Sutter
14. Knight - Feaster (sign as a FA)
15. Ferland - Sutter

For having the job for only 1255 days he managed to restock our system to where we have incredible depth. That was pretty impressive given the scorched earth Sutter left behind as he continued to try and build a team around Iginla when his best-before date had expired. When you look at our future and see it looking so bright, remember to thank Jay Feaster. He was integral in restocking the system.

You do realize Feaster had higher picks and a surplus of them because of our situation at the time. Apples and oranges. Like it was said before if we would have had a more competent GM during those years we would likely be further ahead in our rebuild.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Mango

He absolutely was.

I have no doubt Feaster is a nice guy. However, one thing really sticks out during this tenure. He tried to act smarter than everyone else. He threw around big words in a way to soften the blow of something bad that was about to or did happen. The Jankowski pick, regardless of the hand Weisbrod played, was a "we know something you don't and hence, the rest of you are dumb" pick. I still personally think it's a brutal pick and he'll amount to very little. I guess it would be nice to be wrong, but it'll take a lot of progression in the next year to make it look otherwise.

Personally, I'm liking Brad Treliving's interviews and answers because he doesn't try to talk circles around you. He's very direct and to-the-point.

And honestly, Jankowski probably projects closer to Eric Nystrom or Lance Bouma right now than Joe Nieuwendyk. That's FINE, but it's pretty brutal for a first round pick in a decent draft. (Just like the Nystrom pick was.)

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by New Era

Feaster gets an awful bad go of it here. Go through our prospect list and think of how they got here.

1. Gaudreau - Feaster
2. Bennett - - Burke/Treliving
3. Baertschi - Feaster
4. Poirier - Feaster (traded for pick)
5. Granlund - Feaster
6. Klimchuk - Feaster (traded for pick)
7. Wotherspoon - Feaster
8. Reinhart - Sutter
9. Ortio - Sutter
10. Gillies - Feaster
11. Jankowski - Feaster
12. Sieloff - Feaster (traded for pick)
13. Arnold - Sutter
14. Knight - Feaster (sign as a FA)
15. Ferland - Sutter

For having the job for only 1255 days he managed to restock our system to where we have incredible depth. That was pretty impressive given the scorched earth Sutter left behind as he continued to try and build a team around Iginla when his best-before date had expired. When you look at our future and see it looking so bright, remember to thank Jay Feaster. He was integral in restocking the system.

Drafting 1st rounders should be pretty simple (although we've failed at that before), so it would be good to compare Feaster's later round picks with prior GMs.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Split98

Jobs is not very good at product design, and admired Ives' work. Yet, Jobs is regarded as one of the greatest product innovators of all time. Ives is a gigantic part of that.

Having Ives wasn't a weakness of Jobs' it was a strength. If anything, Jobs taking away control from Ives was oftentimes blunders in Apple design (iOS heavy skeuomorphism was urged on by Jobs against Ives' wishes allegedly).

Feaster having great Intel and acting on it appropriately should be viewed a weakness; in the same way we would view the iPhone a great achievement of Jobs'. Yet, at the time, touch screen smart phones were available. What made the iPhone a success was Ives. 100%.

Well besides the "innovation" of a simple user interface, one could say Jobs was good at what he did because he was a complete a-hole, micro-manager (Feaster was not, ex: Weisbrod was never around), short production cycle and time to market (Feaster really did not implement this), had his hand in many cookie jars (Feaster had none, ex: did not watch Cervenka play before he was signed) and demanded perfection in verification steps (Feaster did not, see: CBA screw up), and the most demanding player in the market of NDA's (Feaster sure wasn't, ex: Regehr trade leak among many other leakes).

In fact, the only resembalance Feaster has to Steve Jobs is just that he had to deligate work because he wasn't an expert. Unfortunately, Feaster was not the Steve Jobs of the NHL...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Freeway

And honestly, Jankowski probably projects closer to Eric Nystrom or Lance Bouma right now than Joe Nieuwendyk. That's FINE, but it's pretty brutal for a first round pick in a decent draft. (Just like the Nystrom pick was.)

Not sure how you get that projection. Big, skilled centreman projects to be like a grinding winger? Don't see the similarity at all. Far too early to call the Jankowski pick "brutal".

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think the point that Vulcan is trying to say is, because Feaster isn't a "hockey guy" he doesn't know a center from a winter...

This is such a tired and over-used cliché. Feaster has been working in hockey for over twenty years now. He's a bright guy. I can't imagine that in that time he has learned virtually nothing from his experiences.

Originally Posted by polak

...I guarantee the days of taking a chance on a Gaudreau are over.

But you can't make that guarantee.

Originally Posted by polak

Just look at this draft. Outside of Bennett we picked size over higher ceilings with pretty much every pick.

Which players with such an obvious edge in talent did the Flames pass over in favour of size from the 2014 draft?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Ugh, I suck. I didn't realize Stryker made up that quote. Your a dick Steve

I thought it was real but that they retracted the quote.....i kept rereading and searching key words looking for that quote.