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Itse · 10-28-2021, 12:53 PM

Well that's thoroughly answered

In any case, under 2.00 GAA!

jaikorven · 10-28-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Interesting take from Lehner on the goalie position of the Swedish team. I don't really agree with it and hope that Markstrom gets to be the #1 for Sweden.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453751935929028614

Maybe it's just me, but he already sounds butt hurt for no apparent reason. Lundquist made sense for sure and now Sweden has some decisions to make. He comes across like he already expects them to not pick him. Just a bit of a weird interview.

gvitaly · 10-28-2021, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jaikorven

Maybe it's just me, but he already sounds butt hurt for no apparent reason. Lundquist made sense for sure and now Sweden has some decisions to make. He comes across like he already expects them to not pick him. Just a bit of a weird interview.

Yes, that's the way it came across for me as well. I guess he doesn't want to be the backup in a short tournament. I don't see Sweden giving him any assurances though, even if he is the best Swedish goalie by the Olympic break.

I thought his comments further cement Markstrom as the starting goalie for Sweden.

Textcritic · 10-28-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jaikorven

Maybe it's just me, but he already sounds butt hurt for no apparent reason. Lundquist made sense for sure and now Sweden has some decisions to make. He comes across like he already expects them to not pick him. Just a bit of a weird interview.

He is pretty entitled for a guy who was the second-best goalie on his own team last year, supplanted by a 36-year-old that Vegas did not even want, and who has already posted sub-.900 SPs in two two of his six starts this year.

Buff · 10-28-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

They calculate GAA as goals against per 60 minutes played. Because of OT, Markstrom has played the equivalent of 4.03 full games. 8 ÷ 4.03 = 1.99.

EDIT: Answered twice while I was typing, but I did the math and showed my work. Do I win a cookie?

gvitaly · 10-28-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I haven’t had an issue with Markstrom’s play as a Flame for the most part, but I have to ask.

Is he actually any good?

Last season, his 2.66 GAA put him in a 25th-place tie with Optimus Reimer. His save percentage of .904 was 38th.

Note* - All stats are for goalies with 20+ starts, according to quanthockey.

His final year in Vancouver:

2.75 GAA (27th, tied with Koskinen)
.918 save % (14th)

18/19

2.77 GAA (27th)
.912 save % (27th)

17/18

2.71 GAA (28th)
0.912 save % (31st)

16/17

2.63 GAA (29th)
.910 save % (36th)

To make matters worse, the Flames employed at least one goalie who was statistically superior each of these seasons - sometimes it was both.

Markstrom’s best attribute seems to be his durability - he can play 60 games.

Beyond that, he’s nothing special.

They should have kept Talbot.

Well this aged well

Let's hope Markstrom continues to prove just how good he is.

PepsiFree · 10-28-2021, 08:14 PM

How’s my boy Cam Talbot doing?

gvitaly · 10-28-2021, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How’s my boy Cam Talbot doing?

Not bad actually, he won all 5 games so far.

Talbot 5GP, 5-0-0, .906sv%, 2.55GAA

Markstrom, 5GP, 3-1-1, .952sv%, 1.59GAA

GioforPM · 10-28-2021, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Not bad actually, he won all 5 games so far.

Talbot 5GP, 5-0-0, .906sv%, 2.55GAA

Markstrom, 5GP, 3-1-1, .952sv%, 1.59GAA

Talbot has been the beneficiary of his team outscoring the other side in a few wins.

PepsiFree · 10-28-2021, 08:27 PM

I’ve been led to believe .906% is not very good. Hopefully .952% is considered above average.

Textcritic · 10-28-2021, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Not bad actually, he won all 5 games so far.

Talbot 5GP, 5-0-0, .906sv%, 2.55GAA

Markstrom, 5GP, 3-1-1, .952sv%, 1.59GAA

Yeah, apart from the wins that is not a great stat-line for Talbot.

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OutOfTheCube · 10-28-2021, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Talbot has been the beneficiary of his team outscoring the other side in a few wins.

Pretty sure 100% of teams outscore the other team when they win…

Hockey-and_stuff · 10-28-2021, 08:41 PM

A 2.55 GAA isn't bad is it? Seems like its a good start with some low SOG victories but I could be wrong.

GioforPM · 10-28-2021, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Pretty sure 100% of teams outscore the other team when they win…

Don’t usually need 4-5 goals if you’re good.

GioforPM · 10-28-2021, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

A 2.55 GAA isn't bad is it? Seems like its a good start with some low SOG victories but I could be wrong.

2.55 would have been 18th in the league last year. But he’s kind of been inconsistent this year - a couple standout games and a couple pretty mediocre ones where his team scored 4-5 goals and he won in OT.

dino7c · 10-29-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's not awful, but he's not a difference-maker. If you have a stacked team he can be your Chris Osgood

This aged well

GreenLantern2814 · 10-29-2021, 12:34 AM

Uh, you’re welcome? Jeez.

Good for Jacob. Hopefully this is the beginning of a campaign that ends in some hardware.

I’m always happy to be wrong.

djsFlames · 10-29-2021, 01:13 AM

I hope crow is eaten here.

The dismissive conclusions being drawn on JM a mere week ago aged about as poorly as milk left in the summer sun.

Meanwhile Talbot, the one who supposedly got away, is playing pretty average in comparison.

GranteedEV · 10-29-2021, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

This aged well

I hope Markstrom has a fantastic year, and I thought he played very well on the road trip, particularily the Rangers and Penguins games which were his two best Flames performances, especially the Rangers game, which was his best performance as a Flame, easily.

But I also sure hope the bar for a "difference-making goaltender" is higher than "shut out a team missing its three best centers and best defenseman in one regular season game in October". Even Karri Ramo, Joni Ortio, Jonas Hiller, Mike Smith, David Rittich, Chad Johnson, and Cam Talbot had some great individual performances for us.

I actually would love it if that aged poorly, though. I'm ****ing sick of goalies crapping the bed since young Kipprusoff. Even old Kipper was pretty meh.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-29-2021, 01:32 AM

Lol (@ posts before the above one)

Look, 5 games is a small sample size. Shelve your conclusions because the year is just starting.

Markstrom was great tonight. I love a good goaltending performance. That paddle save was dynamite. He was square to some really good shots and made the little positional adjustments on some huge saves. He was really feeling it, tracking the puck well, and I love watching it. Super composed

Even had a late cross slot save, to which he was quite square

That stood out as a rarity. The Flames have given up very few of those. Also pretty good at cleaning up rebounds I pointed out long ago the stats of goalies under Sutter. Tons of credit to him for understanding how to put goalies in a position to succeed.

No bones about it, Markstrom had a pretty much perfect game. Awesome to see.