[PGT] Avs 6 Flames 2

[Flames_F.T.W]

I dream of one day seeing an angry and engaged Monahan.

[Bleeding Red]

Have read a few times about CGY's "inexperience in the playoffs" - that's bs.


The Avs top line has 4 more games total than CGY's top line in the playoffs. The Avs top d pairing has 7 games LESS playoff games than Gio & Brodie.

[SuperMatt18]

The concern for me is that this is an extension of how our top 6 played for the last 30 games of the season - but now it’s caught up to them playing a hungrier team that took a step up for the playoffs.

First 51 games (pre all-star break) Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, and Lindholm combined for 101 goals. Last 34 games (including playoffs) those 4 have combined for 33 goals.

And it’s not just the production that’s an issue, because that can dry up, it’s that they’ve looked pretty lost on the ice. Just look disinterested, with no real urgency or hunger to their game.

[Moneyhands23]

At the end of the day the Flames just have no game breakers on the team.

Really starting to see that johnny is only a great reg season player. And Monahan is a ghost.

[AltaGuy]

It’s my pretty firm belief that targeting Stone was actually a longterm play where we’d see Gaudreau moving on after his contract (or the deadline before). Hard not to believe this team would have more playoff success with the much larger skilled winger.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I dream of one day seeing an angry and engaged Monahan.

He's never played like that in his life, so there's no sense even complaining about it. Myself, I'm looking forward to hearing about what injuries he's got now.

Also, other than throwing the body in game 1, Lindholm hasn't done sweet f all either. Johnny needs some linemates if we're going to win another game, let alone the series. And by that, I don't mean James Neal's below-NHL-calibre staking.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

It’s my pretty firm belief that targeting Stone was actually a longterm play where we’d see Gaudreau moving on after his contract (or the deadline before). Hard not to believe this team would have more playoff success with the much larger skilled winger.

The issue with Stone is the assets we would have had to give up for him combined with the chance we may have lost him as a UFA at the end of the year. Vegas has quickly become one of the most desirable places to play in the NHL. Calgary on the other hand is in the lower tier for destinations.

We will always have to overpay players who are UFA. Stone signed for 9.5 x 8. I have no doubts between the tax difference and other factors of desirability, the Flames would have had to pay 11 plus a year.

[flambers]

Well the game was interesting.....

Gaudreau wondering if he can or has the ability to play his style of game in the playoffs? In all three games his game is non existent.

Flames backs are against the wall, they have not played well in any of the 3 games so far.

Avalanche has controlled and or dominated the last 2 games..

Can the Flames wake up.....

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by flambers

Well the game was interesting.....

Gaudreau wondering if he can or has the ability to play his style of game in the playoffs? In all three games his game is non existent.

Flames backs are against the wall, they have not played well in any of the 3 games so far.

Avalanche has controlled and or dominated the last 2 games..

Can the Flames wake up.....

Johnny was noticeable, but not good enough

[Flames89]

Watching Marner block two big shots in the last 10 seconds of the Leafs game was shocking. I used to argue with Leafs fans how much better Gaudreau was - but I’m questioning that belief now after seeing his playoff performance.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I dream of one day seeing an angry and engaged Monahan.

Not in his makeup, he is very similar to Jaybo, great player, but no extra gear

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

It’s my pretty firm belief that targeting Stone was actually a longterm play where we’d see Gaudreau moving on after his contract (or the deadline before). Hard not to believe this team would have more playoff success with the much larger skilled winger.

We have been down the road of trying to win cups with your best player being a winger and even with that player being a HOF talent outside of one season the Flames have nothing to show for Iginla's career. The Flames just don't have that elite center and it's a lot to expect a small winger to carry a team in the playoffs as Iginla outside of one magical season couldn't tip the scales. Gaudreau can be better but he needs help. Maybe we have hit that point were we are seeing the limitations of Sean Monahan as the number one center on a supposed Stanley Cup contender. I will not argue his knack for quietly going about putting pucks in the net but he just doesn't have that extra gear that we are seeing from MacKinnon.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Not in his makeup, he is very similar to Jaybo, great player, but no extra gear

That's a pretty good comparison actually.

[TheScorpion]

I think we're gonna see an enormous change to the top-six this summer. I think the Flames need another centre and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see someone like Matt Duchene brought in. They need someone more dynamic.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Watching Marner block two big shots in the last 10 seconds of the Leafs game was shocking. I used to argue with Leafs fans how much better Gaudreau was - but I’m questioning that belief now after seeing his playoff performance.

I can't honestly say Gaudreau is better than Marner. Id put them on the same level offensively. However Marner is one of the top forwards in the league for blocking and intercepting passes(approx 9th overall total and 3rd best in the oz zone, as well as loose puck recovery is phenomenal. Marner also kills penalties. Marner plays a much better 200 ft game.

I'm not shocked Marner blocked them at all. He's done that before. 43 blocked shots this year.

Playoff stats

Gaudreau 12 points/18 games
Monahan 13 points/18 games
Marner 16 points/16 games

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by united

So after three games, rush scoring chances are 42-12 Avalanche. They are doing an outstanding job forcing the Flames to dump-and-chase and over-pursue or turn it over at the Avalanche blueline attempting a high-risk entry. The Flames are falling right into the trap and getting MURDERED in transition.


Per ThePoint

We’ll see how good Peters and the team are at adjustments.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

The issue with Stone is the assets we would have had to give up for him combined with the chance we may have lost him as a UFA at the end of the year. Vegas has quickly become one of the most desirable places to play in the NHL. Calgary on the other hand is in the lower tier for destinations.

We will always have to overpay players who are UFA. Stone signed for 9.5 x 8. I have no doubts between the tax difference and other factors of desirability, the Flames would have had to pay 11 plus a year.

Fully agree - but I’m under the impression we were very interested in him, and would’ve signed him longterm given the chance. If we’re going to build a different 1st line that is capable of playing playoff hockey, a 6’4 upgrade to our star winger makes sense. The acquisition costs of an upgrade to a 1st line will be heavy unless we dip into free agency.

It’s brutal that our first line can be shut down by a bunch of plug dmen skating hard and playing physically. These Avs are not good defensively at all, but Gaudreau has nowhere to go, and Monahan can’t find the quiet areas because there aren’t any dummy - you’re in the playoffs.

I think, however, Treliving sees this - and will seek out a solution.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by edslunch

We’ll see how good Peters and the team are at adjustments.

Exactly. Maybe an embarrassing ass kicking was what they needed to help get their #### together.
The beauty of best of 7 is, when you lose one at home, you get 3 chances to take home ice back.
Flames really blew it with the first chance. Now we see what this team is made of.

[habernac]

Who could have imagined you could say "The Flames are playing like the Lightning" and it would be a bad thing? Totally disinterested out there. Gaudreau is playing by himself, his linemates haven't showed up yet. Brodie might be the worst pincher in the history of defense. They're being skated out of the rink

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Johnny was noticeable, but not good enough

If Iginla is known for "the shift", then that debacle Gaudreau demonstrated in the 2nd after the club had just scored was "the anti-shift".

Honestly not sure i have seen one guy be that bad in the space of 30 seconds....ever.

So yeah he was noticeable, but for all the wrong reasons.

It's just one game but his play just doesn't translate in the playoffs. He needs space to work, and this time of year it very much disappears.