[News] Brent Seabrook announces he is unable to continue playing and calls it a career

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Out of curiousity, I wonder what the insurance cost premiums are for the player to pay with a LTIR, like around 30 million, that s a great retirement payout

I think it would depend on what the risk was at the time of the contract. Some contracts may ne be insurable, or the premiums would be too high. The older the player, the more expensive it is. And pre-exiting conditions are generally not covered. And it would be odd for a contract to be 100% covered.,

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I doubt he is "officially" retiring. The Blackhawks announced he was put on LTIR before his retirement announcement

They still will have to deal with his caphit and pay him. He just won't play a game ever again.

It is LTIRetirement and they will have to use LTIR space to benefit..

Similar to the Hossa situation but Seabrook still has some significant salary and signing bonuses still left to be paid out.

I thought players like this just automatically got traded to Arizona.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I hate this. This is cap circumvention. If Seabrook cant play, he should retire. he shouldnt get all of the money still while being camped on IR. The hawks need some sort of penalty enforced against this.

Why?

If Seabrook was healthy, he could play.

If Seabrook was healthy, he would play.

The guy has one of the best jobs on earth that he’s done his entire life and he gets paid millions. His legacy is secure.

He wouldn’t just give that up because the team is not ripping off championships anymore. What does that matter to him? He gets to keep his awesome job and make his money.

Except his body won’t let him anymore.

I don’t want to punish teams for signing players. I want teams to be able to move on from players. Player movement and transactions are good for the game. There needs to be a better way for teams and players to divorce, without it becoming this goofy discussion every time a guy north of 35 decides he can’t play in the best league in the world anymore.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

As for his career, in some ways, Seabrook was slightly disappointing, in that, he was much more hyped coming out of Juniors than most other defenseman that draft. He turned out "very good" instead of the projected "totally dominant.

That was a poorly set expectation for a #13 draft pick. He played 1200 games, won 3 cups and was a clear top pairing guy for that run. He easily exceeded any reasonable expectation. I mean if Duncan Keith is the bar for what you expect from a 2nd round defenseman. You will be disappointed for the rest of your life.

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

That was a poorly set expectation for a #13 draft pick. He played 1200 games, won 3 cups and was a clear top pairing guy for that run. He easily exceeded any reasonable expectation. I mean if Duncan Keith is the bar for what you expect from a 2nd round defenseman. You will be disappointed for the rest of your life.

In that dark age, for Blackhawk fans, Seabrook was hyped as a one man game changer. I am just commenting to the overhyping of a prospect, something that happens all the time. The initial bar is set so high, that it is nearly impossible to fulfill expectations.

Was Seabrook a excellent defenseman? Yes. But, the hype he arrived with, had him as a slam dunk HOFer in the making. I do not think that he lived up to that hype, nor do I blame him for that hype.

I don't see him as among the all time great NHL defensemen, but, I am fully satisfied with his place in Blackhawk history, and wish him well in his retirement.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

In that dark age, for Blackhawk fans, Seabrook was hyped as a one man game changer. I am just commenting to the overhyping of a prospect, something that happens all the time. The initial bar is set so high, that it is nearly impossible to fulfill expectations.

Was Seabrook a excellent defenseman? Yes. But, the hype he arrived with, had him as a slam dunk HOFer in the making. I do not think that he lived up to that hype, nor do I blame him for that hype.

I don't see him as among the all time great NHL defensemen, but, I am fully satisfied with his place in Blackhawk history, and wish him well in his retirement.

If anyone is disappointed in the career of Seabrook, that has to be on them. He is likely a near HOF candidate. He was instrumental in 3 Stanley Cups. He was especially good in the playoffs.


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[Hockey_Ninja]

He was a rock solid D-man and won 3 cups. Wish him luck in his post-hockey life

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He is likely a near HOF candidate.
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Again, by the standards of his draft year hype, that is the reason why a fan might see him as a comparative disappointment (to that hype).

I have said NOTHING to disparage his 'Hawk tenure, just pointed out that his early expectations were never resoundingly met. (that Seabrook was the surefire best D-Man in the draft, and that Keith was the reach)

And, even as a Blackhawk fan, I cannot make a compelling argument that Seabrook is a lock for the HOF.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Again, by the standards of his draft year hype, that is the reason why a fan might see him as a comparative disappointment (to that hype).

I have said NOTHING to disparage his 'Hawk tenure, just pointed out that his early expectations were never resoundingly met. (that Seabrook was the surefire best D-Man in the draft, and that Keith was the reach)

And, even as a Blackhawk fan, I cannot make a compelling argument that Seabrook is a lock for the HOF.

I don't think anyone suggested he was a lock for the HOF. I said near HOF, which means close but no cigar. But he might sneak in.

Why was there so much hype about a player picked #14, being the 4th dman picked? It seems unreasonable for someone to suggest he was the best dman in the draft. He ended up being easily the 2nd best dman picked in the first round (I'd rate Ryan Suter ahead of him) and interestingly Shea Weber went in the 2nd round that year (who would be ranked #1).

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

In that dark age, for Blackhawk fans, Seabrook was hyped as a one man game changer. I am just commenting to the overhyping of a prospect, something that happens all the time. The initial bar is set so high, that it is nearly impossible to fulfill expectations.

Was Seabrook a excellent defenseman? Yes. But, the hype he arrived with, had him as a slam dunk HOFer in the making. I do not think that he lived up to that hype, nor do I blame him for that hype.

I don't see him as among the all time great NHL defensemen, but, I am fully satisfied with his place in Blackhawk history, and wish him well in his retirement.

Well, Seabrook is a member of the triple gold club (WJC, Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold) AND has three Stanley Cups.


So, he's someone that the Hall might throw in if there's a weak crop just because he's had a lot of success in the NHL and internationally.

[agulati]

He has had a great career. The last few years have been rough, but he was an instrumental part in the Blackhawks success over the last decade.

[thefoss1957]

Cobra...the hype in the early 2000s was from a franchise that had little going for it, and an unpopular ownership, so they marketed the hell out of every 1st round pick. Tuomo Ruutu was pushed to Blackhawk fans, as "the best player in Europe" that was to come over and light it up, Yakubov and Vorobiev were to be 2/3s of a line for the decade, Babchuk and Barker we to round out a defense of the future. Even Mark Bell was supposed to be the long term leader that was to lead the team back to relevance. The Blackhawk hype machine was in overdrive, up to the lockout, to sell those draft picks to sell seats in a half empty arena.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't think anyone suggested he was a lock for the HOF. I said near HOF, which means close but no cigar. But he might sneak in.

Why was there so much hype about a player picked #14, being the 4th dman picked? It seems unreasonable for someone to suggest he was the best dman in the draft. He ended up being easily the 2nd best dman picked in the first round (I'd rate Ryan Suter ahead of him) and interestingly Shea Weber went in the 2nd round that year (who would be ranked #1).

He was certainly better than Lowe.

[Jetfire]

He and a few other Hurricanes skated with my class when I was in grade 2, I thought it was neat at the time, just being these big strong hockey guys and I distinctly remember Seabrook, but being so young it never registered what an excellent player he really was, and then to go on to eventually have the career he did; 3 cups, Olympic gold, two WJC golds, it's a pretty special memory. Still have his signature on a little Canes flag.

[dissentowner]

I am fine with this, nothing wrong here. This is not the Hossa saga.