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dino7c · 07-10-2016, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lesnar just doesn't have the stand up, stamina or chin to do MMA.

He took 5 years off and can still beat a top 10 heavyweight...guy is pretty impressive considering how few fight he has had

Inferno · 07-10-2016, 12:09 AM

Dana just announced on the post fight show that Bisping vs Henderson 2 is happening most likely in Manchester, England.

killer_carlson · 07-10-2016, 12:33 AM

Brock Lesner scared my 8 year old. She may literally have nightmares after seeing how big he is. That said she was shocked to hear that Cain Valesquez beat up Brock

Can't believe the crowd booed Cormier. Bushleague by the crowd. Felt bad for him.

Roof-Daddy · 07-10-2016, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

He took 5 years off and can still beat a top 10 heavyweight...guy is pretty impressive considering how few fight he has had

I agree, he's impressive and that was a solid win. He did a good job coming out in the third and getting Hunt down to the ground and beating him up. Especially after the 2nd when it looked like he was already spent and wasn't going to be able to secure another take down.

That said, from here on out the competition gets way tougher and IMO, Lesnar doesn't have the stamina, stand up or chin to reach the top of the division. If he can't get his opponent to the ground and finish him quickly, it's going to be more of the same as before.

I like him though, and he is a scary dude for sure.

Slava · 07-10-2016, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Brock Lesner scared my 8 year old. She may literally have nightmares after seeing how big he is. That said she was shocked to hear that Cain Valesquez beat up Brock

Can't believe the crowd booed Cormier. Bushleague by the crowd. Felt bad for him.

I'm torn on the crowd booing. I kind of felt bad for the guy because it worked in the sense that he won the fight. But at the same time there was no time when you would think that Silva was done or in any real trouble.

The problem is that the sport rewards guys who are great wrestlers but then can't or don't do anything from there. Like yeah, you took your opponent down and the proceeded to do nothing. He couldn't get up and didn't do much either, so you win the round. Cormier is a great wrestler, but his fights are terrible.

I don't know what the solution is, but fighters pinning guys against the cage or laying on them and doing the bare minimum so that they aren't stood up is terrible for the fans.

killer_carlson · 07-10-2016, 07:53 AM

I agree. When I think "Cormier" my first thought is "a fight I don't need to watch".

But all that said, what Cormier went through this past week is something that a lot of champions would have walked away from and not taken a fight. Lose lose scenario for a champ. Silva deserves a tonne of credit for stepping up on 2 days notice, but Cormier also deserves a lot of credit for accepting the fight. Instead people were booing him as if he was some how responsible for Jones not being there.

MacGregor got embarassed after taking a fight on short notice
Rockhold got embarassed for doing the same thing

He could have refused and been well within his rights to do so.

Slava · 07-10-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I agree. When I think "Cormier" my first thought is "a fight I don't need to watch".

But all that said, what Cormier went through this past week is something that a lot of champions would have walked away from and not taken a fight. Lose lose scenario for a champ. Silva deserves a tonne of credit for stepping up on 2 days notice, but Cormier also deserves a lot of credit for accepting the fight. Instead people were booing him as if he was some how responsible for Jones not being there.

MacGregor got embarassed after taking a fight on short notice
Rockhold got embarassed for doing the same thing

He could have refused and been well within his rights to do so.

Oh I agree with you on that. I think most people wanted to see Jones because they thought that DC would lose. I don't know enough about the economics of the sport, but I wonder how much of his willingness was based on wanting that paycheque, and then also the fact that it was two days notice against a guy who hasn't trained in a few months and a 7.5lb weight advantage based on the weigh-in the day before. That night he was probably 15lbs or more heavier?

It's an on-going issue with these wrestlers. They have amazing technique and skill to take fighters down. But once they get there they can't do much other than throw punches. Really we saw the same thing with Lesnar, only he was able to overwhelm Hunt a lot easier.

SuperMatt18 · 07-10-2016, 08:31 AM

Silva didn't help things on the ground too much either.

Wrapped the leg, wasn't trying to work from the bottom, and was holding off waiting for a stand up.

Seems like both guys were happy to let Cormier win on points and collect their paydays.

Jacks · 07-10-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Oh I agree with you on that. I think most people wanted to see Jones because they thought that DC would lose. I don't know enough about the economics of the sport, but I wonder how much of his willingness was based on wanting that paycheque

I read that he made $500K against Silva and would have made about a Mil against Jones, that has to sting a bit. Lesnar supposedly got 2.5M (and probably a % of PPV), Jones is an idiot for missing out on a huge payday.

wontondestruction · 07-10-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I agree. When I think "Cormier" my first thought is "a fight I don't need to watch".

But all that said, what Cormier went through this past week is something that a lot of champions would have walked away from and not taken a fight. Lose lose scenario for a champ. Silva deserves a tonne of credit for stepping up on 2 days notice, but Cormier also deserves a lot of credit for accepting the fight. Instead people were booing him as if he was some how responsible for Jones not being there.

MacGregor got embarassed after taking a fight on short notice
Rockhold got embarassed for doing the same thing

He could have refused and been well within his rights to do so.

I disagree on Cormier's comments that a lot of fighters wouldn't have taken this fight. No fighter would have turned down the huge payday Cormier was getting. Especially being a non-title fight, all Cormier stood to lose was the respect of the fans, something he doesn't have anyway. That being said, I'm not knocking him for his fight strategy. Standing and trading with, even an out of shape Silva, is dangerous. Also, I wouldn't be so keen to punch the guy who helped rescue my huge payday. Cormier played it as best he could have.

Inferno · 07-10-2016, 12:40 PM

I can't say I blame Cormier for his strategy. You fight to your strengths and the other guy's weaknesses. Not that I think Silva is weak on the ground but as others have said he's more dangerous standing.

bluejays · 07-10-2016, 07:07 PM

Silva came for the payday. He was severely out of shape. I was pretty surprised to see that tire and saggy tits when his shirt came off. Not the same Silva from a few years back. I echo what others have said, that Cormier should've been able to finish him on the ground, but didn't. Great card on paper - did not live up to expectations. I liked the Aldo/Edgar fight because man, Aldo has some awesome twitch which to fight would be frightening as you have no idea what he'd do.

Hanna Sniper · 07-10-2016, 07:27 PM

I disagree that Silva came for the payday

He was being a company man and saving the card. It's not a big surprise that he and Henderson stepped up to take the fight as that is what old school guys did. He did the organization a favour and yes no doubt he'll get rewarded heavily for it. Far to many fighters now are more concerned about their legacy and don't realize that taking one for the team if better than playing it safe

The fight was a fight for the fans, outside of a spectacular knockout there wasn't going to be any winners in it.

Inferno · 07-10-2016, 08:03 PM

I met GSP today in Vancouver. London Drugs stopped allowing pictures(which was suppose to be a no-no from the start) the person before me to speed the line up but the guy behind me who I asked to take a picture for me was cool enough to snap a couple as I was meeting him. He's as humble and down to earth as he is on TV.

Spoiler!

Philly06Cup · 07-11-2016, 02:09 AM

Not a MMA fan. Just watched for Brock intrigue. Questions:

Why do people complain if fighters don't stand?
Why people be mad that Cormier was booed?
Why was fatty Hunt a favorite over Brock?

bigbadboss101 · 07-11-2016, 06:33 AM

Hunt has crazy KO power and almost got Brock. You can see couple times Brock was luck because of the narrow misses on the attempted good night punches.

Regulator75 · 07-11-2016, 07:26 AM

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/11...xpected-monday

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Early Monday morning, the UFC is expected to announce its sale for a price tag of $4 billion.

Late Sunday evening, Las Vegas CBS affiliate KLAS-TV reported the paperwork for the sale was signed on Saturday to an ownership group consisting of talent agency William Morris Endeavor, International Management Group, and private equity group MSD. Global investment firm KKR is also involved in the sale, according to the report.

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta is reportedly expected to step down as chairman following a transitional period, after which he and his brother, Frank Fertitta, will remain on as minority owners. Dana White is expected stay on as president and will also hold a minority stake, according to the report.

killer_carlson · 07-11-2016, 08:01 AM

Not sure if Dana sells any of his 9% or not. If he were to sell all of it he'd make $360 Million

CaptainCrunch · 07-11-2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Not a MMA fan. Just watched for Brock intrigue. Questions:

Why do people complain if fighters don't stand?

This has been a huge complaint since the first superfight between Shamrock and Gracie in that the submission part of the game is boring. People want this to be like a video game where you have two guys exchanging bombs. Its the old boxer versus wrestler question.

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Why was fatty Hunt a favorite over Brock?

There were questions about Brocks recovery from his illness and losing a chunk of his intenstines. Also he'd been away from the game for a long period of time and hadn't been training for MMA. Also Hunt is a flat out knockout specialist, he's the rare guy that really only needs one opening to end a fight.

Of course Brock Lesnar is a freak of nature. He's the conqueror. His daily routine consists of eating, sleeping and destroying. People forget because of the wrestling thing that Lesnar is a serious athlete. He's also a very smart athlete, he knows his limitations, and he knows what his opponent is going to do, he's a pretty good game planner.

SuperMatt18 · 07-11-2016, 10:26 AM

It's why I do question if Brock comes back full time.

I think he understands that guys like Cain who are more well rounded and trained as martial artists will be able to withstand his attacks.

Think he will probably be a guy who will pick his spots for big events and will fight guys that are decent style match ups for him.