Took my 8 year old son and we both loved it. Felt like a mix between GoTG and the other Marvel movies. I thought it was really well done. Give me all the superhero movies, I WANT THEM ALL!!
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It's a ####ing comic book folks. It's not supposed to be deeply thoughtful or close to reality. CGI was great, story was great, movie was fun.
I don't think it's unfair to ask more from a comic book movie. Like I said before great movie until the end. They didn't properly explore some of the political themes and instead focused on big fight scenes.
I thought the CGI in the final act was pretty poor too. The scene where they were falling through the tunnel was done pretty badly, as was the scene with the Wakanda fight.
Overall, the main issue was the third act just played a little too safe and formulaic.
I think it's fair to discuss these movies, including shortcomings. Particularly when some critics are calling it the best Marvel movie ever.
Well I thought it was thoughtful. Close to reality no, but that has nothing to do with masterpiece.
Even the term masterpiece leaves a lot open to interpretation. Compared to most other comic book movies? Absolutely. Compared to all movies? Well obviously no. I think we all knew we weren't watching There Will Be Blood. And I don't think anyone needs to mention that either. It isn't really even fair to be honest. Most of the DC movies (and several of the Marvel ones too) are downright ####ing ########. Go back and watch BvS, Suicide Squad, Iron Man 3, JL etc and then watch this. Then you might think you are watching There Will Be Blood because this movie is that much better than those pieces of crap. SpiderMan 3 is a real movie that happened. People paid money to see that. We should all be weeping tears of joy that the entire comic book industry wasn't wiped off the face of the earth after that abomination and that we have the privileged to continue to watch good movies like this one despite that unforgivable sin.
This was quite a bit more than usual. It made sense (not even the Nolan Batman movies can say that), it was well acted, the characters were well developed, it was serious yet fun without feeling overwrought or goofy, it was topical with a strong message without feeling preachy.
When you have a movie with a good plot and solid characters that makes sense and is entertaining it is definitely in the running for the best comic book movie ever. Whether the CGI was the best ever (I didn't notice anything) or the music was revolutionary seem like they are well beyond secondary.
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Just posted this is the general comic book movie thread but I thought the CGI in this was good to great, but it might be because I had watched the CGI disaster that is Justice League right before this.
I’m personally not complaining much about the CG itself, more than there’s too much of it. With Coogler at the helm, and the great fight scenes in Creed, I was expecting some more intimate might scenes and I thought the jungle would have made a much more interesting setting than a huge field and an open mine. And again, the music didn’t live up to what I expected. A “masterpiece” IMO must include memorable music that did something to the film on its own. That something the Batman films had down better than all superhero movies.
It was good. I enjoyed it. But I was also disappointed. I thought there was more potential.
Yeah the hype for me hurt my viewing I think, I really enjoyed it but was expecting it to be better than Wonder Woman, Thor Ragnarok, which are 2 of my absolute favorite superhero movies.
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Well I thought it was thoughtful. Close to reality no, but that has nothing to do with masterpiece.
Even the term masterpiece leaves a lot open to interpretation. Compared to most other comic book movies? Absolutely. Compared to all movies? Well obviously no. I think we all knew we weren't watching There Will Be Blood. And I don't think anyone needs to mention that either. It isn't really even fair to be honest. Most of the DC movies (and several of the Marvel ones too) are downright ####ing ########. Go back and watch BvS, Suicide Squad, Iron Man 3, JL etc and then watch this. Then you might think you are watching There Will Be Blood because this movie is that much better than those pieces of crap. SpiderMan 3 is a real movie that happened. People paid money to see that. We should all be weeping tears of joy that the entire comic book industry wasn't wiped off the face of the earth after that abomination and that we have the privileged to continue to watch good movies like this one despite that unforgivable sin.
This was quite a bit more than usual. It made sense (not even the Nolan Batman movies can say that), it was well acted, the characters were well developed, it was serious yet fun without feeling overwrought or goofy, it was topical with a strong message without feeling preachy.
When you have a movie with a good plot and solid characters that makes sense and is entertaining it is definitely in the running for the best comic book movie ever. Whether the CGI was the best ever (I didn't notice anything) or the music was revolutionary seem like they are well beyond secondary.
A comic book movie doesn't have to be held to a different standard merely because it's source material comes from a comic book.
Logan was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay.
The Dark Knight received an academy award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role.
Black Panther was clearly not on the level of those movies. As a thought piece, I'd even put it below movies like V for Vendetta.
I understand the complaints about the reviews. If you go in expecting a fun action movie, that's one thing. If you go in expecting a "masterpiece" or the "best comic book movie of all time" and what you get is significantly worse than movies like the Dark Knight, then your going to be disappointed. Disney really seems to have their review game down. There's a significant disparity between what many reviewers are saying about their movies and the actual product.
I really enjoyed this film, in particular I liked that the character motivations were all clear and sensible and there weren't really any gaping plotholes. Thought it was definitely the best of the marvel movies.
I thought it was... good. It wasn't at all ambitious in what it aimed to do, but it succeeded in hitting the target. It's by no means the best Marvel movie though, it fits among many other well executed but not outstanding offerings from the studio. As such, it's probably a bit of a victim of its own hype and expectations. I'm not sure how much of this I should spoiler tag so I'll tag all of it.
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Michael B Jordan was great. Andy Serkis was amazing. Chadwick Boseman was just fine. T'Challa isn't really that interesting a character, honestly, the way they've done him. His sister was well acted, though I also immediately thought "female teenage Q" when she was going through the gimmicks she'd made. Martin Freeman's character seemed fairly unnecessary to the story other than to be a sounding board for narrative explanations of things about Wakanda, which I didn't think desperately needed narrative explanations. The other characters were generally okay, his love interest (whose name I can't remember which probably tells you something) wasn't very thoroughly developed and the two military leaders were fairly superficial tropes. In particular, buddy who helps out Killmonger changed from apparent-good-friend-and-supporter to a-hole who totally buys in to an outsider usurper, just because he killed Klaw? And seems to have no doubts or regrets about doing so when the guy turns out to be clearly deranged? That's just bad writing.
I agree that the climax left something to be desired. I preferred the original, tangible Panther costume that he had in Civil War to the CGI veneer one. I get that they wanted to give their star screen time without a mask, but a lot of the combat just doesn't have that same sense of physicality in combat that the Captain America movies do so well and the fake suit is a symptom of that issue. The abundance of green screens contributed to that feeling as well, as did trained CGI rhinos. I mean, seriously guys, you're a super-advanced society and you use trained armored rhinos for combat? There was some stage slap as a result, and whoever commented about it affecting the perceived stakes was right. It was also a missed opportunity to do some actually cool combat scenes, similar to the first couple of hand to hand scenes with Black Widow in Civil War:
This movie's characters were perfectly suited to that sort of thing, and we got a taste of what could have been in the Busan casino when the spear comes out, for about 10 seconds, and a bit in the opening jungle scene. They should have focused on stuff like that rather than filming a sort of vague melee. The Busan car chase was missing something too - did anyone feel any sense of real danger there for any of our heroes? The gag where Mrs. T'Challa winds up sliding down the road with a steering wheel in her hands totally unharmed summed that up pretty well.
In general, it was a well executed Marvel superhero movie, a below average script and a very paint-by-numbers story for Marvel, but with a clearly better-than-usual throwaway villain, who unfortunately is dispatched in a similarly paint-by-numbers Marvel superhero movie way (I was instantly reminded of "good red Ant-Man vs bad yellow Ant-Man"). And what are the chances we ever hear about this novel sonic wave technology that can neutralize vibranium ever again in future films? There had to be a better way to do that fight.
Anyway, it was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it thoroughly notwithstanding the above nitpicks. Totally worth seeing in Imax, and I'll see it again when (if?) it hits Netflix, or wherever else.
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Yeah the hype for me hurt my viewing I think, I really enjoyed it but was expecting it to be better than Wonder Woman, Thor Ragnarok, which are 2 of my absolute favorite superhero movies.
I watched it this weekend and felt the same. Great film but all the hype going in, I was expecting to be fully blown away.
For me, the greatest superhero film was 'The Dark Knight'. I was completely blown away watching that.
Just watched this earlier this week. Michael B Jordan was fantastic as a villain.
But one thing that bugged me all throughout the movie...
Spoiler!
If all of these events happened after civil war, where the heck was Capt America, antman, hawkeye and all of the team capt members if T'Challa gave them refuge at the end of civil war? No need for so many of his own people to die fighting to get back his crown when Capt and friends were conveniently nearby.
Just watched this earlier this week. Michael B Jordan was fantastic as a villain.
But one thing that bugged me all throughout the movie...
Spoiler!
If all of these events happened after civil war, where the heck was Capt America, antman, hawkeye and all of the team capt members if T'Challa gave them refuge at the end of civil war? No need for so many of his own people to die fighting to get back his crown when Capt and friends were conveniently nearby.
Doesn’t someone bring this up with every solo Marvel movie? “If such and such crisis was going on, where were the rest of the Avengere?” — you kind of just have to roll with it.
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Just watched this earlier this week. Michael B Jordan was fantastic as a villain.
But one thing that bugged me all throughout the movie...
Spoiler!
If all of these events happened after civil war, where the heck was Capt America, antman, hawkeye and all of the team capt members if T'Challa gave them refuge at the end of civil war? No need for so many of his own people to die fighting to get back his crown when Capt and friends were conveniently nearby.
Only Bucky was left in Wakanda after Civil War, there was noting in that movie indicating that anyone else stayed
The recent spike in ticket prices results in most successful new movies making the non-inflation adjusted list. Adjusted for inflation BP is only 122nd on the all time domestic list.
Black Panther is also not doing particularly well internationally (in comparison to its domestic take). BP is 81st internationally. While trash like the new Jumanji is 45th.
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The recent spike in ticket prices results in most successful new movies making the non-inflation adjusted list. Adjusted for inflation BP is only 122nd on the all time domestic list.
Black Panther is also not doing particularly well internationally (in comparison to its domestic take). BP is 81st internationally. While trash like the new Jumanji is 45th.
It should finish around 40th all time adjusted for inflation. Which also includes multiple releases for older movies. So that is pretty impressive for a February release.
Internationally is interesting to look at so far as it just opened in Japan and hasn't opened in China. This movie will easily go over 1 billion world wide so will finish at least in the top 30 worldwide.
So no matter what metric you look at this movie fits into the most popular movies discussion despite the poor release date.
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I'm really curious to see how it does in Japan and China, those audiences that have been known to dislike black actors (Japan occasionally enjoys over the top racist stereotypes of black men, but that's about it). It would be a hell of a feat for Black Panther to transcend that and get great numbers in those countries.
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