2020 Blue Jays Season Thread

[JTech780]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...ir-slot-deals/

Good article here on where the Jays stand with signing their picks. Have to think they are trying to get their 4th round pick to sign an under slot deal, so they can sure they have enough money to sign Martin without losing a draft pick.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by JTech780

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...ir-slot-deals/

Good article here on where the Jays stand with signing their picks. Have to think they are trying to get their 4th round pick to sign an under slot deal, so they can sure they have enough money to sign Martin without losing a draft pick.

What type of pick would they lose if they had to go over slot to sign Martin.
Baseball used to be a draft with 40 rounds so for the most part picks don't really pan out. If Martin is say a Baseball version of Matthew Tkachuck any you are potentially losing your 2nd round pick in the next draft to not sign him....sign the more sure thing, and forget that pick.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

What type of pick would they lose if they had to go over slot to sign Martin.
Baseball used to be a draft with 40 rounds so for the most part picks don't really pan out. If Martin is say a Baseball version of Matthew Tkachuck any you are potentially losing your 2nd round pick in the next draft to not sign him....sign the more sure thing, and forget that pick.

Probably depends on how much they go over.

You most definitely sign Martin regardless, but you take the negotiation down to the wire in hopes of staying within the bonus pool.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Probably depends on how much they go over.

You most definitely sign Martin regardless, but you take the negotiation down to the wire in hopes of staying within the bonus pool.

Personally, I'm not sure you take the risk with a Boras client. I don't know all the implications if he doesn't sign, but let's say for arguments sake he doesn't sign (would be the second time in his career). Next year he goes back into the draft. With presumably no baseball in this next year, does his stock go anywhere? I don't think it does (without knowing about next years' class). So from his perspective, there's little risk of getting injured or moving substantially down with no season ahead potentially. Boras has the cards. So maybe you let it run down to the last week, and give in, because a guy like Boras won't flinch this year if he thinks he can get better coin elsewhere with no substantial risk. Worst that can happen for the Jays is this lose a pick. I don't think it's that bad. Losing the player would be such a bad outcome.

[cross16]

0-5% over the bonus pool is a 75% tax on the amount over the threshold. 5-10% is 100% tax and a first round pick. I can't see the Jays giving up another first round pick to sign him as good as Martin.

I think while yes you can argue the risk isn't huge for him to back to into the draft next year I think you could easily counter with what is the upside? You sit out the year and delay the clock on everything for a year for what another 750k-1 million? Is that worth it?

I think Boras will want the Jays to pay the tax and that will be the sticking point but I can't see Boras pushing it further than that. I agree it will likely take a while to get this done.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by cross16

0-5% over the bonus pool is a 75% tax on the amount over the threshold. 5-10% is 100% tax and a first round pick. I can't see the Jays giving up another first round pick to sign him as good as Martin.

I think while yes you can argue the risk isn't huge for him to back to into the draft next year I think you could easily counter with what is the upside? You sit out the year and delay the clock on everything for a year for what another 750k-1 million? Is that worth it?

I think Boras will want the Jays to pay the tax and that will be the sticking point but I can't see Boras pushing it further than that. I agree it will likely take a while to get this done.

I could be wrong on this but if Martin doesn't sign and the Jays offered at least 40% of his slot value, they will get the 6th overall pick in next year's draft. So while yes the Jays would love to him signed it might not be the end of the world if he doesn't.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I could be wrong on this but if Martin doesn't sign and the Jays offered at least 40% of his slot value, they will get the 6th overall pick in next year's draft. So while yes the Jays would love to him signed it might not be the end of the world if he doesn't.

That is correct. I don't know the 2021 Draft well enough, although i hear it is good, but question would be do you get someone as high upside as Martin. He sounds pretty special by almost all accounts.

But that is jumping too far ahead as well IMO. I know it's Boras but I still fully expect the Jays will get this done.

[bluejays]

Well, got a mobile alert that MLB owners caved and approved the start of the season. Shocked for the second time.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by cross16

That is correct. I don't know the 2021 Draft well enough, although i hear it is good, but question would be do you get someone as high upside as Martin. He sounds pretty special by almost all accounts.

But that is jumping too far ahead as well IMO. I know it's Boras but I still fully expect the Jays will get this done.

At this point, I'm assuming that the Jays have been up front with Boras. They would tell him that they are under slot right now for signings, and when they sign the last player, also under slot, they will give Martin every penny that wouldn't cost them a draft pick. I think that it gets done fast.

[Roof-Daddy]

Good news: Officially a 60 game season now planned to start July 23rd or 24th!

Bad news: 40 games against AL East and 20 games against NL East

Thats OK when they play Baltimore and Florida, but the rest will be against NYY, Red Sox, Tampa, NYM, Phillies, Braves and Nationals

LOL

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Good news: Officially a 60 game season now planned to start July 23rd or 24th!

Bad news: 40 games against AL East and 20 games against NL East

Thats OK when they play Baltimore and Florida, but the rest will be against NYY, Red Sox, Tampa, NYM, Phillies, Braves and Nationals

LOL

To be the best you have to beat the best. Good test for the kids.

[flamingred89]

I say bring it on. I think the Nats are going to take a big step backwards. They’re Another year older and losing Rendon is hard to make up. The RedSox lost Betts, and their rotation is a big question mark with Sale’s health being front and centre. The Rays, well, they’re always a thorn, but over a shortened season they’re just as likely to go 20-40 as 40-20. The NY teams look pretty strong, but who knows, maybe the Jays kids surprise some people...It’s a shame that opening day is still a month away.

[The Big Chill]

A 60 game season will be great. They should make that permanent.

[Lubicon]

Jays may not play their home game in Toronto due to quarantine requirements.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...b-opting-hubs/

[Machiavelli]

Several players and staff members on the Toronto Blue Jays have tested positive for COVID-19

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/sports/s...d-19-1.4998321

Thanks for nothing, Florida

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

A 60 game season will be great. They should make that permanent.

Hell no! Obviously you feel differently, but I LOVE being able to sit down and watch a ballgame on any given day all summer.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

Hell no! Obviously you feel differently, but I LOVE being able to sit down and watch a ballgame on any given day all summer.

That’s true, I do like that I barely need to check the schedule, just flip on the tv at 10 after 5 and there is almost always a game. A 60 game season will be exciting though. The full 162 is just a crazy amount of games to watch, I only end up watching just a small fraction of it all.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Updated top prospects list:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...pect-rankings/

The fifth-overall selection of the 2020 draft was ranked 16th on Baseball America‘s latest Top 100 Prospects list. First-overall pick Spencer Torkelson of the Detroit Tigers — coming in at No. 11 — is the only member of the 2020 class above Martin.

Overall, the Blue Jays carry four of MLB’s top 100 prospects, with infielder Jordan Groshans (31) and pitcher Simeon Woods Richardson (67) also earning spots in the rankings.

[Roof-Daddy]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1277336576427732992

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

Hurry up and sign Martin

[Roof-Daddy]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1277346086416498688

58 players listed for the Jays 60 man player pool.

2 more to come, hopefully Martin is one of them.