[Signing] Jets sign Derek Forbort (1 yr, $1 mil)

[cannon7]

Have been expecting a Hamonic signing in Winnipeg. Maybe that has fallen through?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Have been expecting a Hamonic signing in Winnipeg. Maybe that has fallen through?

Only Hamonic rumours I've seen are the Canucks looking at him and Vatanen

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Have been expecting a Hamonic signing in Winnipeg. Maybe that has fallen through?

TSN reported before free agency started that the Jets weren't really interested in Hamonic.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Can't argue with this deal. Short term and affordable dollars. This is how teams should be using free agency.

Jets are so shrewd...9th place finish and no improvements

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Some guys just want to make sure they have a contract for next season....there are still dozens and dozens without.

I believe that’s exactly what he was thinking, which to me is another indicator of how good he is.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are so shrewd...9th place finish and no improvements

For what they spend vs what they get...yes.

How much are they wasting in buyouts?

I like this deal over the Tanev deal any day.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are so shrewd...9th place finish and no improvements

Adding Stastny is an improvement.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Finally building a blue line. I expect Hamonic their for 1.5-2 as well.

Signing Forbert is not building a blue line if you expect him to play meaningful minutes.


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[MrMike]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

TSN reported before free agency started that the Jets weren't really interested in Hamonic.

Man if the Jets aren’t interested in someone who wants to play defense for them what does that say about a market for Hamonic?

[868904]

Jets are the perfect example of why you can't replace top 4 defensemen with third pairing guys.

They lost Byfuglian, Trouba and Myers last year and went cheap and "shrewd" and went with Poolman, Sbisa, Kulikov, Beaulieu. They became a bubble team and lost to another bubble team in the play-in round and honestly, it wasn't even close, they got outclassed by the Flames by a fair margin (obviously losing Scheifle hurt). The Jets didn't lose anyone up front, they just cheaped out on the back end and they became a middling team.

Those of you suggesting that the Flames should have replaced Brodie with guys like Forbort, Van Reimsdyk, Barrie, Stetcher instead of paying up for a legitimate top 4 in Tanev should look at what happened to Winnipeg last year.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by 868904

Jets are the perfect example of why you can't replace top 4 defensemen with third pairing guys.

They lost Byfuglian, Trouba and Myers last year and went cheap and "shrewd" and went with Poolman, Sbisa, Kulikov, Beaulieu. They became a bubble team and lost to another bubble team in the play-in round and honestly, it wasn't even close, they got outclassed by the Flames by a fair margin (obviously losing Scheifle hurt). The Jets didn't lose anyone up front, they just cheaped out on the back end and they became a middling team.

Those of you suggesting that the Flames should have replaced Brodie with guys like Forbort, Van Reimsdyk, Barrie, Stetcher instead of paying up for a legitimate top 4 in Tanev should look at what happened to Winnipeg last year.

Same thing will happen to Vancouver this year too.

[jesters91]

The Jets have 27K in cap space and require two forward to fill their 23 man roster. They have 7 defenseman signed already though it's possible to add Hamonic but they'd have to clear cap to do so.

His desired location may be Winnipeg but I'd say Vancouver, with 4LD and 1RD signed, is a better option (at this point). Not his choice but if he wants to play in Winnipeg would have to sign closer to what Forbet signed for than what he may value himself at.

What's Hamonic realistically going to fetch with everything going on (flat cap, teams with internal budgets, bailing on team for play-in and playoffs, roster spots dwindling, etc.).

[1_Flames_Fan]

Forbort for a million as a 5,6,7 guy is a decent signing. As long as he's not playing higher in the lineup.

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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Also closes the condition where if the Flames were to re-sign Forbort the 2021 4th they gave to LA would become a 2022 3rd.

It's definitely good that they've gotten rid of these as possible conditions on trades.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s funny how, when we discuss missed draft picks, we always forget other teams’ having the same issue. Derek F was 15th overall, one in front of Tarasenko. And he’s not even the worst example of that from the 2010 draft.

Not sure you can call Forbort a miss; he's almost certainly in the top third of #15 picks in the last 31 years:

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right columns are: gp - points)
1973 F Alexei Kovalev 1316 1029
1978 F Dainius Zubrus 1293 591
1990 D Erik Karlsson 736 603
1993 F J.T. Miller 504 309
1994 D Ryan Pulock 234 108
1986 F Alexander Radulov 442 334
1996 F Dylan Larkin 389 266

1993 D Cody Ceci 496 126
1992 D Derek Forbort 275 53

1974 F Mats Lindgren 387 128
1991 F Peter Holland 266 85
1985 F Robert Nilsson 252 118
1973 D Jason Bowen 77 8
1987 F Ryan O'Marra 33 7
1977 D Jeff Ware 21 1
1989 D Alex Plante 10 2

1980 G Mathieu Chouinard 1 0
1988 G Riku Helenius 1 0
1971 D Jason Soules
1975 F Alexander Kharlamov
1979 F Matt Zultek
1981 F Scott Kelman
1982 F Artem Kryukov
1983 D Igor Knyazev
1983 F Jesse Niinimäki

TBD:
2000 F Grigory Denisenko
2001 F Cole Caufield
2001 F Rodion Amirov
1999 D Erik Brännström 33 4
1997 F Luke Kunin 131 52
1997 F Zach Senyshyn 6 3

You can go back further and find Sakic, MacInnis, McCrimmon, but lots of other busts, too - I just like 1990 as an arbitrary cut off for the 'modern' drafting era

[Reggie Dunlop]

I get the feeling Hamonic isn't coming back as long as there's a pandemic, and probably has made it known to his agent.

He just strikes me as that sort of person. If he has to choose between his family's health and well being and his career, I suspect the former.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

For what they spend vs what they get...yes.

How much are they wasting in buyouts?

I like this deal over the Tanev deal any day.

I'll take the better team/player thanks

Not that I would be against this deal if it didn't cost the Flames a draft pick but he doesn't move the needle. I hope the Flames ice six Dmen better then Forbort if their intentions are winning

Jets can save all the cap space they want, its not like it carries over if you don't use it. Guys on the ice decide the games.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'll take the better team/player thanks

Not that I would be against this deal if it didn't cost the Flames a draft pick but he doesn't move the needle. I hope the Flames ice six Dmen better then Forbort if their intentions are winning

Jets can save all the cap space they want, its not like it carries over if you don't use it. Guys on the ice decide the games.

They're up against the cap. What are you talking about?