[News] Brian Burke joining Calgary Flames as President of Hockey Operations

[dissentowner]

I can't see him as President, he will want to be GM and most effective in that role. Another thing is I truly believe Feaster was telling the truth when he said he did not want to be GM of a rebuild. I think King moves on to being in charge of other things, Feaster will become president, and Burke will be the GM of the Calgary Flames. I can't see it any other way.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I would be more concerend that Burke would mesh with Weisbrod. Even though its too soon to say that Weisbrod's drafting is great, i do like his new criteria that he has invoked.

Weisbrod loves Americans and Burke loves Americans they should get along fine.

Cam:

Anyway you can pat yourself on the back without screwing up the thread? Scrolling so you can post the image of a post from way back when quoting it would work just as well is a pain in the ass.

[Parallex]

Hope this does not come to pass. Burke is such a dinosaur.

We`re entering into a new era with a new team and this would just be saddling us with the metaphorical old snaggletoothed dog.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Only the Ducks.

Which he then made much better by adding Beuchemin, Pronger, Niedermayer, Kunitz, Selanne. But outside of those bums he did fully inherit the team.

He also added the Sedins to Vancouver and Kesler but again just inherited talent didn't bring in any talent.

With TO he brought in the goalie, top defenseman and top scorer with a young prospect that looks impressive as well but again he just inherited talent.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by browna

Tanguay proved with the fact that francophone friendly Montreal didn't want him, Tampa didn't sign him until late in August, he couldn't score with VLc and St. Louis on his line, that he is useless without Iginla. His attitude, though better this time around, certainly wasn't the one that you'd want on a rebuilding type roster...and, he had another 3 years left on a $3.5m contract.

Tanguay was fine in Montreal until his injury. I think he was 2nd in points. His only real bad year was with Tampa after the injury. I don't think its right to say he can only get points with Iggy. I read that he will be on a line with Stastny and Landeskog. I am pretty sure he will get his points with them.

I won't argue that he needed to go, but one can not deny that Jones contract is just as bad if not worse.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I'm on the record saying that I think Feaster is a terrible GM.

Burke put Pronger and Neidermayer together on a championship team. And you can hate on the Kessel trade, but Kessel is the best player the Leafs have had since two lockouts ago. The team with the best player wins the trade, and so far Kessel is better than Seguin, and has every chance of being better than Hamilton.

What's Feaster's career-defining move? Losing the Brad Richards trade? Iginla-to-whoever-Iginla-chooses-for-whatever-they-want-to-give-up? The ROR offer sheet fiasco? Feaster himself says his best move was NOT acquiring Vokoun, which is pretty clearly ######ed, and crated a goalie void that Tampa still hasn't filled to this very day.

Draft coups? Burke drafted BOTH Sedin twins in one year, which built his franchise for the next decade.

Feaster's biggest draft coup is Blair Jones. Think about that. The ONLY full-time NHLer Feaster has ever drafted to date was when he picked Stamkos 1st overall.

Ill take Burke over Feaster 100 times out of 100.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

Which he then made much better by adding Beuchemin, Pronger, Niedermayer, Kunitz, Selanne. But outside of those bums he did fully inherit the team.

He also added the Sedins to Vancouver and Kesler but again just inherited talent didn't bring in any talent.

With TO he brought in the goalie, top defenseman and top scorer with a young prospect that looks impressive as well but again he just inherited talent.

Not sure why you are trying to tell me what Burke has done? I have written many times the exact same things you have written. I have wanted Burke since he was let go in TO

[moon]

As others have said can't see how it works with Feaster sticking around. With Burke and King running the hockey and business sides respectively no need for Feaster as a President.

With Burke as President no way he lets Feaster makes hockey moves on his own, especially with Feasters background, so again no need for Feaster.

I could maybe see Burke as President with Weisbrod listed as GM but really heavily reporting/relying on Burke but with Feaster it just doesn't make sense.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Parallex

We`re entering into a new era with a new team and this would just be saddling us with the metaphorical old snaggletoothed dog.

Is Jay "If Ken King wants to rebuild, he's going to have to find another guy to do it" Feaster the right guy?

Given his laundry list of questionable actions, transactions and lawyer speak after he smooth talked his way into the full time gig a few years ago, you really think the current option is going to work medium term, let alone long term?

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure why you are trying to tell me what Burke has done? I have written many times the exact same things you have written. I have wanted Burke since he was let go.

Just quoted your post as it was the most recent one addressing Burke's history certainly wasn't meant as a direct response to you.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Tanguay was fine in Montreal until his injury. I think he was 2nd in points. His only real bad year was with Tampa after the injury. I don't think its right to say he can only get points with Iggy. I read that he will be on a line with Stastny and Landeskog. I am pretty sure he will get his points with them.

I won't argue that he needed to go, but one can not deny that Jones contract is just as bad if not worse.

Tanguay is a quitter. He quit on the Flames twice and he quit on TB too. If the Avalanche are competitive he will be alright but if that defence and goaltending suck as much as I believe it will he will be out there floating and not giving a crap by game 30.

[polak]

Originally Posted by moon

Which he then made much better by adding Beuchemin, Pronger, Niedermayer, Kunitz, Selanne. But outside of those bums he did fully inherit the team.

He also added the Sedins to Vancouver and Kesler but again just inherited talent didn't bring in any talent.

With TO he brought in the goalie, top defenseman and top scorer with a young prospect that looks impressive as well but again he just inherited talent.

The Sedins are the only "shrewd" move on the list. I cancel that with the Kessel trade.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Hope this does not come to pass. Burke is such a dinosaur.

We`re entering into a new era with a new team and this would just be saddling us with the metaphorical old snaggletoothed dog.

Such a dinosaur?

He won a Cup 6 years ago. His built a team that last year was in OT in Game 7 against the Stanley Cup Finalists.

[browna]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I won't argue that he needed to go, but one can not deny that Jones contract is just as bad if not worse.

Possibly...he has a year to justify it and hopefully turn it up, and if not and he's really that horrible, the Flames can use one of their two buyouts they have to use next year on him next year as the cap goes up.

That possibility of him potentially doing something positive this year is better than a sulking Tanguay still on this team.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by polak

The Sedins are the only "shrewd" move on the list. I cancel that with the Kessel trade.

Sure the Kessel trade was not a win. But how often do you lose a trade and still end up with a young 40 goal scorer?

[moon]

Originally Posted by polak

The Sedins are the only "shrewd" move on the list. I cancel that with the Kessel trade.

Adding the backbone of the Ducks Stanley Cup team isn't a shrewd move?

Getting a solid 2nd line player (who is a scumbag) at the 23 pick who has played top 9 GP in his draft year (which is stacked) and top 11 for points isn't shrewd?

Getting Phaneuf for pennies on the dollar isn't shrewd? Kadri is playing better than anyone drafted reasonably behind him, seems shrewd. JVR played well for TO, Lupul was a top guy for them, Gardiner looks promising. Kessel helped them more last year than Seguin likely would have.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by browna

Possibly...he has a year to justify it and hopefully turn it up, and if not and he's really that horrible, the Flames can use one of their two buyouts they have to use next year on him next year as the cap goes up.

That possibility of him potentially doing something positive this year is better than a sulking Tanguay still on this team.

I 100% agree with the bolded part. He needed to go.

[trackercowe]

Kessel has panned out pretty much exactly like Burke had hoped, so he was bang on in acquiring him. How was he supposed to know how bad the Leafs would fare the next two seasons and end up losing Seguin and Hamilton. I don't think the trade is as bad as some make it out to be honestly. There have been plenty of worse trades since then.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by moon

Such a dinosaur?

He won a Cup 6 years ago. His built a team that last year was in OT in Game 7 against the Stanley Cup Finalists.

I hope your not implying that being in OT in game 7 against the Cup Finalists means they would have won the cup if they won in OT. We all know hockey doesn't work like that.

[Johnny Rotten]

Maybe it won't make a difference for Jay's G. M. job, but aren't he and Burke buddies? Burke's had some guys of consequence work for him before: Nonis and Bob Murray. It may not be such a stretch for the two to coexist. It's not like Jay has an edgy personality that wouldn't mesh with Burke.