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transplant99 · 03-19-2018, 09:55 AM

Yeah.....listening to guys around the NHL yesterday and again this morning no one has had a problem with the hit. Pinder suggesting that the concussion spotters dropped the ball, but beyond that? nadda in regards to it being predatory or illegal or certainly not suspension worthy, but again that's part of the inherent danger of a game played at the speed that hockey is. The fact that Reeves is about 40 lbs heavier has nothing to do with it.

The more I look at it, the more I agree. It was a text book body check. It's really too bad that Brodie is injured to some degree though.

Toonage · 03-19-2018, 09:56 AM

It looked bad because as Reaves finished he left his feet. But that was after initial contact. Clean hit.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-19-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Ya, thats what hitting is.

It can't be going forward. That must change.

GordonBlue · 03-19-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It can't be going forward. That must change.

but how? how do you police it and maintain the integrity of the game under current rules?
by allowing hitting you're going to get these types of hits, intentional or not. making it a penalty for hitting someone hard but clean, will just hasten the demise of the NHL allowing hits at all.

Let me ask you a question. If it means the elimination of clean hits that unfortunately cause injury, are you willing to support changing the rules and disallow all body checks?
how far are you willing to go to make the game as safe as you feel it needs to be?

transplant99 · 03-19-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It can't be going forward. That must change.

Then you are really are advocating for the womens game.

stang · 03-19-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Then you are really are advocating for the womens game.

Lets cut the blade off the stick too! And instead of a puck we can use a ring!

Jiri Hrdina · 03-19-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Then you are really are advocating for the womens game.

I'm advocating for a game based on skill and speed where checking is about separating puck from player.
I'm advocating for changes needed so that people like Steve Montador don't have their life ended before it should.
So yes. That's where I see it going.

Stay Golden · 03-19-2018, 10:31 AM

It was a hit with mean intent but it was clean. What a 4th line players role is on a team, to be tough and physical against the opposing team's D on dump ins and fore checking. Not like the 2017-18 message to our soft 4th line. Reeves did his job.

Split98 · 03-19-2018, 10:33 AM

Feel better, and pack up

Barring a return to form under a new coach, the past 10 or so games are the best we could have seen from Brodie.

transplant99 · 03-19-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm advocating for a game based on skill and speed where checking is about separating puck from player.
I'm advocating for changes needed so that people like Steve Montador don't have their life ended before it should.
So yes. That's where I see it going.

I suggest you are going to very disappointed then.

You want speed in the game, but when that hit happens and the puck gets separated and someone gets hurt....you dont want it in the game. That's what the Reeves hit was after all.

Why can't the game be based on speed and skill (it already is) AND hitting?

Honestly, if that kind of hit is taken out of the game, you may as well call it a day and say goodbye to the league. No one will pay the kind of money to watch womens rules hockey that they do to see the game as it has been played since day 1.

flamesfever · 03-19-2018, 10:38 AM

IMO it was clearly charging

transplant99 · 03-19-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesfever

IMO it was clearly charging

It's borderline at best.

Reeves didnt take a stride for about 15-20 feet before making contact. He was flying when he hit him though, no question.

Bourque's Twin · 03-19-2018, 10:49 AM

That was a clean hit.

If this were 2004, Reeves would've had to answer to Simon or Oliwa for that hit. Not to mention, Iggy, Regehr, Warrener, Commodore, and Nieminen would've been beating up on the opposing team's soft players. That is the way hockey is played, and until the Flames can push other teams around, they will not win playoff series. Especially when several of your star players (Gaudreau, Monahan, Hamilton, and Brodie) have minimal physicality.

Toonage · 03-19-2018, 10:51 AM

In hindsight, Stewart probably should have been dressed for that game. Ferland isn't that player anymore and Hathaway has never been a fighter, more of an agitator.

Is Rinaldo dressing tonight? Maybe Stewart draws back in. You picked him up, may as well use him.

Flash Walken · 03-19-2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

It's borderline at best.

Reeves didnt take a stride for about 15-20 feet before making contact. He was flying when he hit him though, no question.

He hits brodie at the goal line and takes his last stride below the hash marks.

It's a pretty textbook charge IMO, but not surprising it wasn't called. Ferland has ridden that line too many times for me to be up in arms about the officiating standard on this one.

Someone on the ice should've been yelling 'HEADS' at brodie when he had the puck behind the net.

stang · 03-19-2018, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He hits brodie at the goal line and takes his last stride below the hash marks.

Which is 15-20 feet.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-19-2018, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I suggest you are going to very disappointed then.

You want speed in the game, but when that hit happens and the puck gets separated and someone gets hurt....you dont want it in the game. That's what the Reeves hit was after all.

Why can't the game be based on speed and skill (it already is) AND hitting?

Honestly, if that kind of hit is taken out of the game, you may as well call it a day and say goodbye to the league. No one will pay the kind of money to watch womens rules hockey that they do to see the game as it has been played since day 1.

I disagree. The reasons why people don't watch women's hockey is because it is much slower and just not the best in the world playing (no offense to the sport).

There will be always be incidental contact in a fast game, but Reaves proactively and deliberately hurt Brodie to hurt him.

That has to stop.

dino7c · 03-19-2018, 10:58 AM

Glass got a charging penalty for less

Kickazzflames · 03-19-2018, 10:59 AM

Reeves came flying in, clearly doing some headhunting. It's as close to a charge as you can be without it being called. That's a brutal position to be in for Brodie. Just coming from behind the net and picking the puck up for that split second left him completely vulnerable. Hope the damage wasn't too severe.

transplant99 · 03-19-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I disagree. The reasons why people don't watch women's hockey is because it is much slower and just not the best in the world playing (no offense to the sport).

There will be always be incidental contact in a fast game, but Reaves proactively and deliberately hurt Brodie to hurt him.

That has to stop.

How do you stop it though? That's the question. The only way to do so is to eliminate hitting and contact all together, at which point you have made it a different sport all together. No one is going to pay big money to watch that IMO.

We are worlds apart on the subject, but it would an interesting poll to put up among hockey fans.