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[photon]

Wow, this show is so good.

How do they keep going though, ultimately things have to get back to some sort of status quo. Homelander can't lose, the show would be a shadow of itself without him. But if he wins the show turns into some kind of Injustice: Gods Among Us storyline doesn't it?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by photon

Wow, this show is so good.

How do they keep going though, ultimately things have to get back to some sort of status quo. Homelander can't lose, the show would be a shadow of itself without him. But if he wins the show turns into some kind of Injustice: Gods Among Us storyline doesn't it?

I think there's room for a full season under some type of Homelander driven autocracy with the boys becoming truly underground.

Loved the way they did the stuff with Noir. What a fabulous change made from the comics. Such an interesting character without saying a word so far.

It looks like they are going to have to take our both Soldier Boy and Homelander somehow. And odds on Huey dying or becoming some sort of mutant monster thing?

[blankall]

The Noir stuff was excellent. Definitely makes you feel bad for him, even though he's a complete psycho. This season has just been excellent so far. Each episode is over an hour but goes by quick.

[bdubbs]

I want more of The Boys as each episode goes by. What a great show.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Holy forking shirt balls what was this episode even!! I am absolutely gobsmacked.... Definitely gonna need a rewatch, my god...

[photon]

Gonna be a long day.. maybe I'll watch it during lunch.

[Cole436]

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A great buildup that didn’t stick the landing. I don’t think there were severe enough consequences for any of the characters. Maeve and Solider Boys death’s were fake outs, Homelander kept his powers, all the boys are fine (except for Butchers cancer), and there were really no fallout to Homelander being exposed to the public.

It felt like the writers were too scared to make the difficult play at the endgame. I also think they bit off a bit more than they could chew and too many arcs felt incomplete (A-Train’s, Vikki’s, Edgar, even BN to an extent). In saying that, this has still been the best season of the series so far.

There was a lot about this episode I liked. The discussion about fathers and SB’s rejection of Homelander was really well done. How they displayed the cycle of abuse through generations made my stomach churn. Homelander’s murder of BN was shocking and hard to watch. I think Ryan’s story is going to be interesting.

This episode was a solid 7.5 but the whole season was a 9.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cole436

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A great buildup that didn’t stick the landing. I don’t think there were severe enough consequences for any of the characters. Maeve and Solider Boys death’s were fake outs, Homelander kept his powers, all the boys are fine (except for Butchers cancer), and there were really no fallout to Homelander being exposed to the public.

It felt like the writers were too scared to make the difficult play at the endgame. I also think they bit off a bit more than they could chew and too many arcs felt incomplete (A-Train’s, Vikki’s, Edgar, even BN to an extent). In saying that, this has still been the best season of the series so far.

There was a lot about this episode I liked. The discussion about fathers and SB’s rejection of Homelander was really well done. How they displayed the cycle of abuse through generations made my stomach churn. Homelander’s murder of BN was shocking and hard to watch. I think Ryan’s story is going to be interesting.

This episode was a solid 7.5 but the whole season was a 9.

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The discussion about fathers and the themes in the show about feeling like a failure and taking it out violently on others kind of weird me out. Like, it seems culturally relevant to the time we're in, but it's also pretty messed up. The idea of having detestable heroes in contrast with the traditional tropes of heroes that embody the most admirable traits already seems like it's targeting people who grew up loving super heroes and wanting to be like them and now feel like under-achievers. The extra male daddy issues and social isolation feels a bit heavy-handed on top of everything else. I can't honestly tell what the intended message is though in the end, or what the intended impact of the show is, if there is one beyond making money. I can't tell if it's ironically condemning these traits or empathazing with them.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

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The discussion about fathers and the themes in the show about feeling like a failure and taking it out violently on others kind of weird me out. Like, it seems culturally relevant to the time we're in, but it's also pretty messed up. The idea of having detestable heroes in contrast with the traditional tropes of heroes that embody the most admirable traits already seems like it's targeting people who grew up loving super heroes and wanting to be like them and now feel like under-achievers. The extra male daddy issues and social isolation feels a bit heavy-handed on top of everything else. I can't honestly tell what the intended message is though in the end, or what the intended impact of the show is, if there is one beyond making money. I can't tell if it's ironically condemning these traits or empathazing with them.

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I think it's intending to show the pain and consequences of generational trauma. Looking at Butcher, Solider Boy and Homelander, all three of them are detestable but so much of who they became is due to the failings and abuse of people they trusted to love them.

Who could Homelander have been if he was loved instead of isolated and abused by Vought scientists throughout his childhood? Butcher's rage and bloodlust is the same violence he experienced from his father. Solider Boy was denied any emotional care or support from his father and because of that abuse he was broken and alone and hurt others the way he was hurt inside. All of them were failed and it wasn't their fault. Those abused and broken children grew up and hurt others because they didn't know how to regulate the pain inside of them.

None of them ever felt like they could ask for help, or that there was a way to get better. It's a pretty heartbreaking message.

I think it's a really complex and thought out exploration of toxic masculinity and how many abusers are victims of a generational cycle that has to stop. I don't necessarily think the show is talking down to people who like superheroes, I think it's trying to show that even the most irredeemable of us are still human underneath the evil they show.

[Matata]

Great season but kind of disappointed with the final episode. Homelander has felt really weak this season, it seems like all they need to do is catch him on a bad day and he could be defeated. I hated how the crowd cheered on HL after blowing the guy's head up, the core of the show has always been bombastic action mixed with brutal realism, no ones going to cheer on HL after someones head blew up 5 feet away and they have brains drippong on them.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Matata

Great season but kind of disappointed with the final episode. Homelander has felt really weak this season, it seems like all they need to do is catch him on a bad day and he could be defeated. I hated how the crowd cheered on HL after blowing the guy's head up, the core of the show has always been bombastic action mixed with brutal realism, no ones going to cheer on HL after someones head blew up 5 feet away and they have brains drippong on them.

[sureLoss]

The only problem i had with the Season 3 finale is that there hasn't been much or any progression for the major characters since the season 2 finale. If you cut out the entire 3rd season, the characters are in a similar position as they were at the end of season 2 with maybe a few differences. Almost like an alternate ending for season 2.

The show is still great though.

IMO to go to the next level storywise, they have to deal with Homelander. Problem is that Antony Starr does such an amazing job as Homelander, the show might not be the same without him.

Tough problem for the producers and writers to solve.

[SportsJunky]

I was hoping Homelander would lose his powers and we'd see him trying to live amongst the great unwashed and deal with things like traffic, bad neighbors, dating, etc.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Just because Trump said he could shoot someone in the street doesn't mean it's true. Or can you think of any other examples of public figures brutally murdering people in public? The shows been great for being even-handed in the political commentary, so it was pretty disappointing to see it go full "orange man bad".

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Matata

Just because Trump said he could shoot someone in the street doesn't mean it's true. Or can you think of any other examples of public figures brutally murdering people in public? The shows been great for being even-handed in the political commentary, so it was pretty disappointing to see it go full "orange man bad".

I think if you got "orange man bad" from that scene you should expand your lens a bit.

What we're dealing with in The Boys is the current socio-cultural environment juxtaposed with humans harnessing the power of gods. Trump is a god within his own mind, but he's seen as some kind of perverted, patriotic, racial savior by a larger group of people than we'd care to admit.

However, even if we just took that iconic savior aspect here, you need to keep in mind that the extreme right is made up of the Kyle Rittenhouses and James Fields' of this world. I think it's awful naïve to think if a god-like being, dressed like Homelander and spouting the same #### descended from the heavens in Washington on January 6, 2021 and laser-eyed Nancy Pelosi, AOC, or even Mike Pence, a significant portion of them wouldn't have cheered. Hell, I fully believe if the mob had gotten their hands on any of those three (or countless others) we would have seen a live lynching.

Maybe they would be like the proverbial dog that actually catches the car, but it feels like the only difference between our universe and The Boys is Compound V.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Matata

Just because Trump said he could shoot someone in the street doesn't mean it's true. Or can you think of any other examples of public figures brutally murdering people in public? The shows been great for being even-handed in the political commentary, so it was pretty disappointing to see it go full "orange man bad".

I find it hard to believe that during a violent riot or protest that if one "team" shot one of "them" that it wouldn't be celebrated.

Look how popular George Zimmerman was, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc.

The mob on January 6th.

My point isn't "Orange Man Bad" this is "Us vs Them Mob Menality" and getting swept up in the hysteria.

It's how protests and celebrations spin out of control.

[FlamesAddiction]

My only complaint about the show, isn't really about the content, but the format in general. I remember when most series were 12-13 episodes, then they slowly started scaling back to the point most are 8 episodes. I understand there are budget and time commitments of personnel are likely a factor, but it feels like such a short ride now and you have to wait what feels like forever for another season. Part of the experience of following a series was to be invested over a fairly long time. At least with a feature length film, you usually get some closure at the end. With a series, you get cliff hangers and are left dangling.

I will say though that 8 quality episodes is better than 8 quality episodes and 4 filler episodes, which also used to happen quite a bit.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

My only complaint about the show, isn't really about the content, but the format in general. I remember when most series were 12-13 episodes, then they slowly started scaling back to the point most are 8 episodes. I understand there are budget and time commitments of personnel are likely a factor, but it feels like such a short ride now and you have to wait what feels like forever for another season. Part of the experience of following a series was to be invested over a fairly long time. At least with a feature length film, you usually get some closure at the end. With a series, you get cliff hangers and are left dangling.

I will say though that 8 quality episodes is better than 8 quality episodes and 4 filler episodes, which also used to happen quite a bit.

Each episode is about 1:04 long. In the past we would have gotten an hour long episode, but that would have included about 15-20 minutes of commercials.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I find it hard to believe that during a violent riot or protest that if one "team" shot one of "them" that it wouldn't be celebrated.

Look how popular George Zimmerman was, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc.

The mob on January 6th.

My point isn't "Orange Man Bad" this is "Us vs Them Mob Menality" and getting swept up in the hysteria.

It's how protests and celebrations spin out of control.

Every example you listed as a bad protest was from the right wing. No sympathy for the billions of damage inflicted on poor, minority communities by the BLM protests? This "preaching to choir" stuff only works if your already in the choir, to me it looks like lazy, crappy writing that betrays the brutal realism they spent so much time establishing. Equating Trump to basically a living god, yeesh.

[pseudoreality]

Just finished the 3rd season. I think the funnest part was when Blue Hawk said he was attacked by antifa.