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Old 06-16-2018, 02:37 PM   #1
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Top Six Construction: The Squeeze

Had a good look at how the 2017-18 Flames lined up with all NHL teams, playoff teams and elite teams when it comes to forward goal scoring.

Next I projected next year and then came to the conclusion that the team only needs to add one top 3-4 forward to make things work.

I push them from 22nd overall in forward scoring to 13th and within two goals of 11th.

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Is one forward enough?
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:40 PM   #2
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I’d like to see two forwards added but if the youngsters like Foo and Mangiapane make the team then I suppose 1 top six F is all that will be required.
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One top-9 forward signing and one forward prospect making the jump would do wonders for our depth and scoring.
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I think one top 6 forward who drives offense will be enough

The rest comes from progression and development of our young guys and better lineup construction.
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I’d like to see two forwards added but if the youngsters like Foo and Mangiapane make the team then I suppose 1 top six F is all that will be required.
The Flames have some strength in the middle six if you insert a player in the top four ... not the case if they don't.

If all of Tkachuk, Backlund, Frolik, Jankowski, Bennett and Ferland are a middle six I think they're in pretty good shape, especially because Tkachuk is on the uptick, and Backlund and Frolike had "off" seasons.
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Frankly, the Flames only have 3 top six forwards at the moment. Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Monahan.

Backlund and Frolik are elite 3rd line players, but if they're in your top 6, your team has depth issues, which the Flames do.

So in order to fix the problem, they need 2 legitimate 50+ point players. Not exactly easy.

The idea situation is that Bennett emerges finally into the player he should be or Jankowski takes another step and becomes the legitimate #2 center. The problem is do you bank on that happening with your season on the line?

If they feel comfortable that one of those two will step up, then they would only need one additional player, which would need to be a RW.

Personally this is how I think things should shake out

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland (out of necessity)
Tkachuk-Jankowski-New guy
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Miscellaneous 4th line guys.

That would be fine and may help Bennett to get his stuff together. If that's the case, then you could make Gaudreau flip with Ferland and Bennett up to line #1 and shift Ferland to line 3 or 4.
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Is the end result of the Flames to make the playoffs and be first round fodder like Minnesota/Colorado

Run the same stats on the top -8

as well adding the 23 goal scorer (Stastny) will limit opportunity for Backlund and Jankowski to reach their 18 goals. If somehow the Flames get a 23 goal RW Ferland would have trouble making 18.


Over the last season the Flames had very low injuries.

The Flames need 3 more top-6 players or at least Ferland level guys who are very solid top-9. Need to sign 2 and have someone make the same step forward as Ferland did.

You have Bennett jumping from 11 goals to 15. Not impossible but a big jump for someone who is getting moved down the ice-time.

Backlund has career highs of 22, 21 and 18 goals missing a total of 6 games in his career seasons.

PS Bouwer was a solid 20 goal scorer RW when the Flames signed him - 25, 21, 18 the last 3 seasons before he became a Flame.

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Is the end result of the Flames to make the playoffs and be first round fodder like Minnesota/Colorado

Run the same stats on the top -8

as well adding the 23 goal scorer (Stastny) will limit opportunity for Backlund and Jankowski to reach their 18 goals. If somehow the Flames get a 23 goal RW Ferland would have trouble making 18.


Over the last season the Flames had very low injuries.

The Flames need 3 more top-6 players or at least Ferland level guys who are very solid top-9. Need to sign 2 and have someone make the same step forward as Ferland did.

You have Bennett jumping from 11 goals to 15. Not impossible but a big jump for someone who is getting moved down the ice-time.

Backlund has career highs of 22, 21 and 18 goals missing a total of 6 games in his career seasons.
Why do your posts seem like they are in morris code?

So what exactly is your argument?

I mentioned injuries.

A line up of ...

Gaudreau - Monahan - new guy
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik

wouldn't result in ice time losses for any player but Frolik from my estimation. Evolution of young players and having a defensive sound player like Frolik could do wonders for Bennett and Jankowski.

You don't seem to be saying anything
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Picked three, it will never happen.

However that is what the Flames require in order to contend
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In my head I've thought they need two, but your article does suggest that if they get the right guy one acquisition may be enough.
25 goals sounds about right for what Nino could bring.
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Why do your posts seem like they are in morse code?

So what exactly is your argument?

You don't seem to be saying anything
This is what I think after almost every post by him
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We need someone who can drive a line on their own
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Thank you for your analysis! I really like the angle!!

I think you are in the ball park, but would suggest that Ferland is a 3 because he played with JG and SM. I know you factored a decrease, but I believe even a top goal scorer like kessel would only result in a net increase of 10-15 goals from Ferland.

Fundamentally I think it comes down to Bennet, Ferland and BPs system. Are Ferland and Bennet 10 goal guys on the same line (then I think you need another Neal/Perron) or are they 15-20 goal guys next year (then no addition is needed). The wild card is BPs system. Can the Defense chip in an extra 10 goals? If yes, then again you are down to only one solid scorer.
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In a perfect world, our high skill prospects develop over the next couple of seasons.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Foo
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Phillips
Mangiapane - Bennett - Gawdin
Dubé - Backlund - Tuulola
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In a perfect world, our high skill prospects develop over the next couple of seasons.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Foo
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Phillips
Mangiapane - Bennett - Gawdin
Dubé - Backlund - Tuulola
This will never happen IMO. Yeah it'd be nice, but 4 of those 12 forwards haven't played an NHL game yet, and 2 of them have played 10 or less NHL games.

The odds of any organization developing that many forwards are long, and the odds are probably even longer for the Flames to do it given their weak history of developing NHL forwards via the AHL.

As for the poll, I voted 2 acquisitions. Hopefully one of them is a center good enough to push Backlund down one peg to #3C
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i voted two, and in my view it makes the flames a top-5 team in the league. One RH-shot for the PP; call it a top-6 RW. And a top-6 center.
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In a perfect world, our high skill prospects develop over the next couple of seasons.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Foo
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Phillips
Mangiapane - Bennett - Gawdin
Dubé - Backlund - Tuulola
That is most certainly a perfect world, lol.

That is never going to happen.
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