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Old 03-29-2017, 11:09 AM   #301
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That awful PBS which we should defund immediately has also covered the future of battery technology, which right now is the biggest issue facing renewables like solar and wind, we need on demand energy and right now these technologies are not very strong because of that.
This is part of the problem too. People are looking for a silver bullet that will address the issue directly with one technology. Frankly, that's stupid. It's not how we do things now, and it's not how we'll do things in the future. We need to be searching for a blended approach to power generation and power use. We need solar cells to address the needs during the day. We need wind to supplement that need. We need hydro and tidal to meet the evening need and during poor solar/wind generation times. We need nuclear to fill the gaps. And yes, we need fossil fuels used wisely, in the most efficient ways, to part of this blended approach.

Power storage would be awesome. Homes could then become truly self sufficient. That tech may come, and when it does it will be awesome, but until then we still need to move forward on changing the grid itself. We shouldn't wait to begin making changes until that storage solution comes online. We need to move now and work with what we have while developing solutions to leverage and improve what we currently have.

BTW, great documentary!!!
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Power should be generated on a hub and spoke model. Wind/Solar/Geothermal/Nuclear (Molten Salt)/Fission/whatever else all contribute portions to the hub, and when one fails the others step up. And Coal / Petroleum are still spokes, but the percentage of contributions should be narrowing - and they have.

The ability to store power will be our best course of technological development; if we can somehow find ways to store huge amounts of power for long amounts of time, generated by eco-friendly sources, we will enter a new age of human development.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:21 AM   #303
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Frankly, this post comes off as a defense by someone in the fossil fuel lobby. Why is it that you ignore the reality the nation and the planet faces, and just suggest we continue to plow along with the very thing that is killing us? I also don't buy the garbage the line that we cannot develop a sustainable power grid through the use of green and nuclear technology. We have not even made a dent in penetration with solar technology or wind technology.
I am a realist, so I'm for nuclear, I am not for unreliable renewables which has failed everywhere they've been tried, in terms of becoming a major part of reliable, cost-effective grid. And because the biggest supporters of these renewables tend to be the biggest opponents of nuclear power.

I am also aware that even as coal declines in the US, it is still the #1 source of electricity in the world, the #2 source of energy and important for things like steel and concrete production, because it is cheap and easy to use, which is important for developing countries.

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We have not leveraged cheap hydro.
Cheap, available hydro has been leveraged everywhere where it's possible.

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We have no explored the use of tidal to any great degree.
The economics may not work.

http://euanmearns.com/swansea-bay-ti...ion-in-the-uk/

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And we have not even begun to push for new nuclear power generation.
Much of that is from protests who think solar and wind are enough. Plus the same economic factors that are affecting coal in the US have affected nuclear plants.

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Nice editorial on 'make China great again'!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/o...ol-left-region
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I finally gave in and subscribed to the Washington Post. Annual sub for $19USD seems worth it. They're going to bring this ####er down.
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Did you watch the video? Japan had a massive earthquake and Tsunami on an ancient plant design. The new ones are so freakin safe its not even funny, Bill Gates, Musk, others are all trying to promote this.
Don't introduce TFF to facts, they give him hives.
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Since we're on the subject of coal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a03faf695e46

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“I made them this promise,” Trump said, “we will put our miners back to work.”

But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas. At least six plants that relied on coal have closed or announced they will close since Trump’s victory in November, including the main plant at the Na###o Generating Station in Arizona, the largest in the West. Another 40 are projected to close during the president’s four-year term.

As power companies switch fuels, “the amount of coal in the national energy generation mix (both Fuels and Electricity Generation) has declined by 53 percent since 2006,” according to a Department of Energy report released in January. Over the same period, electricity generation from natural gas increased 33 percent.
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The shift was mirrored by employment, with jobs in natural gas and other cleaner energy resources rising and coal jobs declining, the report said. It cited a Bureau of Labor Statistics analysis showing that coal mining and support employment declined by nearly 40 percent between March 2009 and March 2016.

In this shaky financial environment, coal companies are struggling. Two of the largest, Contura and Arch Coal, emerged from bankruptcy only recently, and another giant, Peabody Energy, recently filed a reorganization plan for its path out of bankruptcy, according to the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis.
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As Trump vowed to resurrect the coal industry and mining jobs in remarks at the Environmental Protection Agency, he promised to increase production of the resource that experts say is killing them. “We will unlock job producing natural gas, oil and shale energy. We will produce American coal to power American industry.”

The IEEFA disagreed. “Promises to create more coal jobs will not be kept — indeed the industry will continue to cut payrolls,” the group said in its 2017 U.S. Coal Outlook. “These losses will be related in part to the coal industry’s long-term business model of producing more coal with fewer workers.”
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Since we're on the subject of coal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a03faf695e46
I know that in Ontario, coal power is being phased out and plants that have been converted to biomass produce much more power with fewer negative byproducts.

Even if someone isn't an environmentalist, why wouldn't you want that? It's pretty much the definition of conservatism to increase output while reducing waste.
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So instead of forcing these people into the mines, where they are putting their health at risk and contributing to the destruction of the environment, how about putting them to work building the things that will help build on the sustainable energy path? How about using the facilities to manufacture salt water batteries? Then how about encouraging builders to incorporate this technology and solar cells into the designs of houses and making this a standard requirement for new home builds? That would provide jobs, clean up the environment, and take pressure off our aging grid infrastructure.

No, bad idea. That would require leadership and forward thinking. It would also require someone in Washington to stand up to lobbyists and the energy cartels. Can't have that. Especially fthe on thand "business President who is going to drain the swamp."
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I know that in Ontario, coal power is being phased out and plants that have been converted to biomass produce much more power with fewer negative byproducts.
Coal is dead in Ontario, having been effectively replaced by upgraded nuclear plants a few years ago.

http://www.ieso.ca/power-data/supply...ted-generation

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Even if someone isn't an environmentalist, why wouldn't you want that? It's pretty much the definition of conservatism to increase output while reducing waste.
Biomass is a controversial topic. It's probably fine if all it did was burn waste or wood that can't be used for any other purpose. But the scale of human energy usage is so high that there are concerns that forests are being cut down for the purpose of being burnt in biomass plants.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/sasha-s...name-bioenergy
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Did you watch the video? Japan had a massive earthquake and Tsunami on an ancient plant design. The new ones are so freakin safe its not even funny, Bill Gates, Musk, others are all trying to promote this.
Takes one unforeseen problem or terrorist attack to ruin the land for hundreds of years. No thanks. Like I said agree to disagree.
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I finally gave in and subscribed to the Washington Post. Annual sub for $19USD seems worth it. They're going to bring this ####er down.
Extra! Extra! McGyver buys more fake news!
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Coal is dead in Ontario, having been effectively replaced by upgraded nuclear plants a few years ago.

http://www.ieso.ca/power-data/supply...ted-generation

Biomass is a controversial topic. It's probably fine if all it did was burn waste or wood that can't be used for any other purpose. But the scale of human energy usage is so high that there are concerns that forests are being cut down for the purpose of being burnt in biomass plants.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/sasha-s...name-bioenergy
Yes, very similar to the Ethanol craze a few years ago. One step forward for two steps back.
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Extra! Extra! McGyver buys more fake news!
What makes The Washington Post fake news?
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You're going to have to explain that one
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What makes The Washington Post fake news?
It doesn't engage in enough war on information.
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Sen. Richard Burr is Trump's new worst enemy.
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What makes The Washington Post fake news?
Its not towing the party line.
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