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Old 10-16-2017, 09:24 AM   #41
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...What I'm stating are the reasons that, if such a trade is constructed, he could be convinced to waive his NTC (assuming it's to one of the 10 teams on his list which is quite doubtful anyway).

I get that and I think you are likely wrong. I see a trade as a very difficult proposition for Stajan to accept at any point this year.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:05 PM   #42
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Does anyone have any fancy stats on our fourth line? They seem to be winning battles nightly. Stajan and Brouwer are too expensive...but at least they're good in their current role. I think??
Stajan's are good - 53.12% Corsi for (5th on the team behind 3M and Jagr)

The rest are terrible - bottom Corsis for Flames (excluding F.Hamilton and Hathaway who've played 1 game each) - Glass, Brouwer, Bennett, Lazar (that's from worst forward so Glass has the worst).

People want to bench Stajan because he's old, but he's been good this year and was good last year.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:09 PM   #43
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This Freddie/Dougie talk about them being inseperable has got to stop. The ONLY place this seems to be mentioned in on CalgaryPuck. A couple of posters ran with it, and now it's ''news''. I'd like to see a single quote from a reputable source saying the reason Freddie is here is because of Dougie. I'm willing to bet not a single person will find a single shred of evidence, because that evidence DOES NOT EXIST. Why some people continue to run with it and make it a thing blows my mind.
To be fair, I've heard it mentioned on the Fan by a couple of the guys including Loubardias I believe.

I also listened to the latest Haynes podcast with Steinberg yesterday, and Steinberg said he believes that Freddie is here as a "package deal" with Dougie.

But honestly, I think Freddie as the 13th/14th makes a lot of sense regardless of his last name. He's not a young guy you feel like you're hurting by keeping him in the pressbox, and when there's a last minute injury situation like Stajan/Ferland in Vancouver, he's capable in that limited role.
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I don't have a problem with F Hamilton as the 13 or 14. Cheap, works hard, doesn't complain.

I saw no one in the preseason to push him out of that role. I did see guys who should be the 10 and 12 though, but those are spots for players who should be playing everyday.
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It's a cliche to say, but the season is a marathon, not a sprint. If Calgary is going to make a long run in the playoffs, Stajan is the kind of guy you want to have around. We don't have any salary cap issues. Unless there's a good return, there's no reason to move him out.
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Old 10-16-2017, 02:04 PM   #46
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To be fair, I've heard it mentioned on the Fan by a couple of the guys including Loubardias I believe.

I also listened to the latest Haynes podcast with Steinberg yesterday, and Steinberg said he believes that Freddie is here as a "package deal" with Dougie.

But honestly, I think Freddie as the 13th/14th makes a lot of sense regardless of his last name. He's not a young guy you feel like you're hurting by keeping him in the pressbox, and when there's a last minute injury situation like Stajan/Ferland in Vancouver, he's capable in that limited role.
I doubt it was Loubo, who's a Freddie fan.
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Old 10-16-2017, 02:25 PM   #47
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I doubt it was Loubo, who's a Freddie fan.
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To be fair, I've heard it mentioned on the Fan by a couple of the guys including Loubardias I believe.

I also listened to the latest Haynes podcast with Steinberg yesterday, and Steinberg said he believes that Freddie is here as a "package deal" with Dougie.

But honestly, I think Freddie as the 13th/14th makes a lot of sense regardless of his last name. He's not a young guy you feel like you're hurting by keeping him in the pressbox, and when there's a last minute injury situation like Stajan/Ferland in Vancouver, he's capable in that limited role.
It was Pat Steinberg on the latest Hayes podcast.

I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that it's a "package" deal in having both Hamiltons. By all accounts, the brothers are incredibly close and having one of your best young players in a stable and comfortable mental situation is a positive thing.

So far the package bit is that Freddie at least gets an opportunity on the pro team as a 13th forward and it's up to him to do with it what he can. Considering how we would have needed a cheap 13th forward to sit in the press box and come in for versatility/energy, Freddie isn't a bad choice at all. Whenever we talk about prospect opportunity, Freddie Hamilton is not in the way of any top 9 player. He's as irrelevant to the discussion as can be.

If you're looking for specific players to be concerned about, then the likes of Ferland, Jagr, and Versteeg are "blocking". Sure they've offered value and production in the past but if they aren't producing then that's just the result of betting on the vets instead of making room for a prospect like Jankowski.
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Old 10-16-2017, 02:33 PM   #48
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I get that and I think you are likely wrong. I see a trade as a very difficult proposition for Stajan to accept at any point this year.
I think finding the trade is way harder than getting the waiver. I just don't see him as a guy who prevents a trade that helps Calgary and doesn't really hurt him that much.
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Eric Duhatsek also refers to it in his article on The Athletic. I'm not sure I would draw any conclusions from it, though.

The (quiet) life and times of Dougie Hamilton
https://theathletic.com/112144/2017/...ugie-hamilton/

Now entering his third season in Calgary, Hamilton will freely acknowledge that he is an unrepentant homebody. He and his older brother Freddie live together and share tasks around the house. In the kitchen, Freddie will do the barbecuing, for example, while Dougie does the work of the sous chef. Freddie does the driving, to and from the rink. The two played together in junior for the OHL Niagara Ice Dogs, and their parents, Doug and Lynn, moved from Toronto to St. Catharines, Ont., effectively to be their billets.
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“But it’s been unbelievable. Just being able to live with him is better. I lived on my own for two years playing in the NHL and it’s not always the easiest — so to have my brother here now has been awesome.”
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Old 10-16-2017, 02:41 PM   #50
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Eric Duhatsek also refers to it in his article on The Athletic. I'm not sure I would draw any conclusions from it, though.

The (quiet) life and times of Dougie Hamilton
https://theathletic.com/112144/2017/...ugie-hamilton/

Now entering his third season in Calgary, Hamilton will freely acknowledge that he is an unrepentant homebody. He and his older brother Freddie live together and share tasks around the house. In the kitchen, Freddie will do the barbecuing, for example, while Dougie does the work of the sous chef. Freddie does the driving, to and from the rink. The two played together in junior for the OHL Niagara Ice Dogs, and their parents, Doug and Lynn, moved from Toronto to St. Catharines, Ont., effectively to be their billets.
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“But it’s been unbelievable. Just being able to live with him is better. I lived on my own for two years playing in the NHL and it’s not always the easiest — so to have my brother here now has been awesome.”
Enjoying having your brother on the team and it being some sort of requirement are a little different though.

That said, I'm fine with Freddie being a press box player. He doesn't hurt you on the ice, really, and seems to be OK with the limited games. His stats are really similar to Hathaway's, but with way less penalties. I wouldn't want Jankowski in the press box. I'd send Glass before Hamilton - face punching and all.
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I get that and I think you are likely wrong. I see a trade as a very difficult proposition for Stajan to accept at any point this year.
If Stajan was given the option of Stockton or an NHL team on his NTC, I am pretty sure he is choosing to waive.
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Hamilton DID play his best offensive game when his brother was in the lineup. Coincidence?
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If Stajan was given the option of Stockton or an NHL team on his NTC, I am pretty sure he is choosing to waive.
Sure, but the Flames would never give him that ultimatum.
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Hamilton DID play his best offensive game when his brother was in the lineup. Coincidence?
Hah. Someone should actually do the analysis of games with Freddie and without. It's what, a 31 game sample?
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I doubt it was Loubo, who's a Freddie fan.
Loubo is an everyone fan. And I’m a loubo fan
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