Lucic Bruins rumour

[Mull]

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don’t think that is right though. I recall some people mentioning this when Tkachuk signed his deal as it basically minimized the amount of escrow he would pay into.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/...p1a8v24yvggd3v

Maybe this is dated information, but as late as last season, signing and performance bonuses were not subject to escrow according to the above link.

It's not dated information, it's completely wrong. It has never been right.

I posted this earlier in the summer when this was brought up before...

The Sporting News needs to fire whoever they have fact-checking their NHL information because that is absolutely wrong. They were also still reporting that the "courting period" was still a thing even though that is something that was eliminated in the 2020 MOU.

This is directly from the CBA...

There is nothing in the 2020 MOU that changes how Escrow is collected.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nobody is worried about production if you have a wish to add Lucic. It's his room addition, cup history and intimidation.

If you have a team in a division with some scary players and don't have a lot of size on your roster you likely value that more than most.

Is that team out there? Who knows?

But at $3.7M and only $1M actually owing it's certainly more possible than at $5.75M, full salary, and multiple years left on the deal.

Room addition, cup history and intimidation aren’t worth much if you’re hurting the team whenever you step on the ice. In the playoffs Lucic was maybe the worst skater on the team when some of those intangibles you’re referencing should have been worth more.

$3.75M is better than $5.75M but that’s still way too much for what he can bring at this point IMO. Certainly there are far cheaper options to fight off scary players.

But someone smarter than me said there are suckers born every minute. Actually lots of people smarter than me out there in general so hopefully BT pulls another rabbit out of his hat.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I think Treliving is going to be our David Poile.

I think going foreward the whole league is going to have longer term gms .

Our David Poile is also David Poile haha. Amazing that he got his start with the Flames 50 years ago.

[1qqaaz]

I wonder if Poile is the only one in the league who previously worked for the Atlanta Flames yet is still working in hockey. I believe Cliff Fletcher is still a senior adviser.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Room addition, cup history and intimidation aren’t worth much if you’re hurting the team whenever you step on the ice. In the playoffs Lucic was maybe the worst skater on the team when some of those intangibles you’re referencing should have been worth more.

$3.75M is better than $5.75M but that’s still way too much for what he can bring at this point IMO. Certainly there are far cheaper options to fight off scary players.

But someone smarter than me said there are suckers born every minute. Actually lots of people smarter than me out there in general so hopefully BT pulls another rabbit out of his hat.

You're probably right which is why Lucic's value seems better suited to a team trying to get to the floor. Not sure how many of those teams exist right now but his contract is perfect for that with high cap hit low salary, expiring, and he can bring something to a young a team who needs some toughness and leadership. I actually worry about his absence in the playoffs for those reasons but if they can add a top 6 I think that's more important.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You're probably right which is why Lucic's value seems better suited to a team trying to get to the floor. Not sure how many of those teams exist right now but his contract is perfect for that with high cap hit low salary, expiring, and he can bring something to a young a team who needs some toughness and leadership. I actually worry about his absence in the playoffs for those reasons but if they can add a top 6 I think that's more important.

Lucic is not a useless player by any means, especially during the playoffs, but with a $5.75M cap hit, he's a luxury we may well not be able to afford.

[Enoch Root]

Regarding Lucic retiring...

There are a couple posters who continue to state that his bonus would count against the cap, each time this comes up, but no one has ever produced anything to back that up.

I am not an expert on this, and not quoting the CBA here, but my understanding is that if/when a player retires, their contract is gone, and there is no residual cap hit.

I really wish someone would quote the CBA on this and put the issue to bed for good.

[Erick Estrada]

I would be really surprised to see him retire and leave all that money on the table. Seems like a decision that he would end up regretting in time.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Regarding Lucic retiring...

There are a couple posters who continue to state that his bonus would count against the cap, each time this comes up, but no one has ever produced anything to back that up.

I am not an expert on this, and not quoting the CBA here, but my understanding is that if/when a player retires, their contract is gone, and there is no residual cap hit.

I really wish someone would quote the CBA on this and put the issue to bed for good.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=402

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would be really surprised to see him retire and leave all that money on the table. Seems like a decision that he would end up regretting in time.

He would be leaving $1M on the table.

And once retired, he could 'come out of retirement' and sign with the Bruins. For say... maybe $1M.

Everyone wins: Flames get relief, Bruins get him at a reasonable price, and Lucic goes to the Bruins and gets paid the exact same amount.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=402

Yes, I read that when it was posted 8 posts prior. Doesn't address the issue I was discussing though.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Lucic is not a useless player by any means, especially during the playoffs, but with a $5.75M cap hit, he's a luxury we may well not be able to afford.

Well the Oilers players were publicly requesting in the press that Sutter play Lucic more in the second round last year, so they saw value in having Lucic on the ice.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well the Oilers players were publicly requesting in the press that Sutter play Lucic more in the second round last year, so they saw value in having Lucic on the ice.

Can you supply a list of these players or does it start and end with Evander Kane?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can you supply a list of these players or does it start and end with Evander Kane?

I can’t remember if it was more than Kane (a guy who has a hell of a series and definitely is not a useless player in the playoffs). It may have just been him who said it publicly while the rest were quite concerned about the useful Milan Lucic in the playoffs.

[Bingo]

Lucic wasn't great in the playoffs, and lost a step in the second half of the season ... no point debating that.

But using opposing comments that were clearly strategic in a BOA playoff series is somewhat silly.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mull

I don’t think that is allowed under the CBA but may be wrong. Otherwise it’s too obvious of an idea for both parties I would think

Players and teams can agree to mutually terminate a contract...we've just never seen it done on a contract as high profile as Lucic.

Generally it's AHLers or 4th liners that want to go play in Europe so get bought out instead.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, I read that when it was posted 8 posts prior. Doesn't address the issue I was discussing though.

I’m pretty sure if he was to retire there wouldn’t be any cap implications.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Regarding Lucic retiring...

There are a couple posters who continue to state that his bonus would count against the cap, each time this comes up, but no one has ever produced anything to back that up.

I am not an expert on this, and not quoting the CBA here, but my understanding is that if/when a player retires, their contract is gone, and there is no residual cap hit.

I really wish someone would quote the CBA on this and put the issue to bed for good.

It doesn't make sense to me that the signing bonus portion paid out this year would count against the cap either. It was a bonus for signing the contact, not for playing the final year. It was just put on a payment schedule.

It's not like years had disproportionate cap hits based on signing bonuses. At the most, I could see a small amount counting (like $3 million / the number of years the contract was for), but not the entire amount.

It would be nice if someone could point to the part of the CBA that support the claim or an example of when it happened with another player.

[Always Earned Never Given]

If I read correctly, these are the scenarios on the to cap hit when NHL player retires?

If a player with retained salary retires, all of the player’s cap hit is removed.
This includes his current team and his former team that retained salary.

The exception is for players who were 35+ and signed a multi-year contract"
if that is the case, if that player retires the cap hit remains.