Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by CN10

I have a feeling the deal blows up in Tre's face and we've just improved our rival, but I would love to be wrong. Hopefully the conditional pick is real and a good one and the owners use the cash savings between the rest of Neal and Lucic's contract term to improve the pro scouting to the point where we can avoid some of these bad fit UFA contracts that we have seen recently.

Trading them Neal will improved them? Honest question, how?


It's a garbage for trash, poo for dung trade.

[Demetric]

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[Erick Estrada]

Chaisson basically doubled his goal production going from the Flames (one year of Capitals in between) to the Oilers getting a career high 22 goals. I know Flames fans are going to cling to Neal not bouncing back but it's virtually a certainty that he in fact does that as he's going to benefit from playing with McDavid and having a top 6 role. This is why the deal is so bad because Lucic couldn't play top 6 with the Oilers and they got a player in return that can and will play top 6 for them.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

This is true.

Neal is looking for a 2nd chance this season after one bad season.

Lucic is looking for a 3rd chance to redeem himself. Most do not receive that (or deserve it).

Even when Lucic was tearing it up in Boston, he was the type of player that you knew would fall off earlier than most. It surprised no one that he hit 30 and collapsed.

3rd chance? He went to the Oilers as a UFA prize not a project. As bad as it's been good first season there was pretty solid

[Scroopy Noopers]

When others have labeled Lucic’s contract as “buy out proof”, this is what they mean:

If he is bought out next summer, his cap hits are:

20/21: $5,500,000
21/22: $4,000,000
22/23: $5,500,000
2023 through to end of 2026: $500,000

Bought out summer 2021:
21/22: $4,083,333
22/23: $5,583,333
2023 through to end of 2025: $583,333

Bought out summer 2022:
22/23: $5,333,333
23/24: $333,333

So, as you can see, a Lucic buyout offers negligible cap savings for his contract years.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We're really putting the "better after Edmonton" theory to the test here.

History says it will hold true. Let's pray.

I know we bet on that with Talbot, but I didn't think we would immediately double-down with Lucic...

Originally Posted by FanIn80

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH

(You all know you're gonna.)

Yup. Cheering for laundry. It's all about rooting for the clothes...

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m going to take the stance here that Lucic is better than Neal and that will be proven this coming season. While Neal May score more due to gifted minutes with McDavid, Lucic will make us a better team.

Players are gonna think twice about pushing around our small star playerswhen they got a 6'3" 235lb powerhouse with a short fuse to deal with

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JJolg

3rd chance? He went to the Oilers as a UFA prize not a project. As bad as it's been good first season there was pretty solid

Lucic has had 2 terrible seasons in a row compared to Neal's 1.

So I guess it's more accurate to say Neal is looking for his first chance at redemption and Lucic is looking for his 2nd.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McKenzie says no conditional pick

Bobby Margarita @TSNBobMcKenzie
I do feel obliged to say this: the Lucic-Neal CGY-EDM trade is one for one. ��

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Players are gonna think twice about pushing around our small star playerswhen they got a 6'3" 235lb powerhouse with a short fuse to deal with

Oh?

[CN10]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Trading them Neal will improved them? Honest question, how?


It's a garbage for trash, poo for dung trade.

It is a doofus for doofus trade, but I think the doofus we just sent them fits a team need for one of the leagues top offensive players in McDavid so I am worried that Neal recovers his 20G+ form as he can probably finish the plays he's set up for even better than Chiasson who went from around 10G to over 20G. Even if he plays 2nd line with RNH I think we can both agree that he will likely score more than he did with Jankowski and Bennett, while Lucic is unlikely to get anywhere close to reasonable production for a $5.4M cap hit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

When others have labeled Lucic’s contract as “buy out proof”, this is what they mean:

If he is bought out next summer, his cap hits are:

20/21: $5,500,000
21/22: $4,000,000
22/23: $5,500,000
2023 through to end of 2026: $500,000

Bought out summer 2021:
21/22: $4,083,333
22/23: $5,583,333
2023 through to end of 2025: $583,333

Bought out summer 2022:
22/23: $5,333,333
23/24: $333,333

So, as you can see, a Lucic buyout offers negligible cap savings for his contract years.

What was Chiarelli thinking when he made that deal? I think the Canucks were the other team interested in Lucic at the time but considering the player lost a step already at that time he should have been thinking about making the contract up so the last few years were somewhat buyout friendly.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What was Chiarelli thinking when he made that deal? I think the Canucks were the other team interested in Lucic at the time but considering the player lost a step already at that time he should have been thinking about making the contract up so the last few years were somewhat buyout friendly.

this was the cost of going to the Oilers.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think the whole draft pick rumour was just because people assumed there had to be something more coming back considering Lucic is a much bigger anchor and waste of space.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

When others have labeled Lucic’s contract as “buy out proof”, this is what they mean:

If he is bought out next summer, his cap hits are:

20/21: $5,500,000
21/22: $4,000,000
22/23: $5,500,000
2023 through to end of 2026: $500,000

Bought out summer 2021:
21/22: $4,083,333
22/23: $5,583,333
2023 through to end of 2025: $583,333

Bought out summer 2022:
22/23: $5,333,333
23/24: $333,333

So, as you can see, a Lucic buyout offers negligible cap savings for his contract years.

Flames owners weren't writing a 15 million dollar check to buyout Neal, so it doesn't matter to them.

The questions is do you help Edmonton with a potential buy out next year to save 7 million in real cash.

(Assuming both players are still useless next year which I essentially think they will be)

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Chaisson basically doubled his goal production going from the Flames (one year of Capitals in between) to the Oilers getting a career high 22 goals. I know Flames fans are going to cling to Neal not bouncing back but it's virtually a certainty that he in fact does that as he's going to benefit from playing with McDavid and having a top 6 role. This is why the deal is so bad because Lucic couldn't play top 6 with the Oilers and they got a player in return that can and will play top 6 for them.

LOL then why didn't Tobias Reider have a career year? You can't just pick one guy going to Edmonton having a career year as being the norm for every guy going to Edm.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Oh?

Yep, they're going to think about doing it again because Lucic was too slow to catch them the first time.

[dustygoon]

There has to be more to this.....Neal asking to be traded? Peter's scratching him? was it that bad?

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Chaisson basically doubled his goal production going from the Flames (one year of Capitals in between) to the Oilers getting a career high 22 goals. I know Flames fans are going to cling to Neal not bouncing back but it's virtually a certainty that he in fact does that as he's going to benefit from playing with McDavid and having a top 6 role. This is why the deal is so bad because Lucic couldn't play top 6 with the Oilers and they got a player in return that can and will play top 6 for them.

Neal did have some playing time in our top 6 and power play he was freaking awful I dont see how going to the Oilers will change that... he had his chances here he blew it

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Flames owners weren't writing a 15 million dollar check to buyout Neal, so it doesn't matter to them.

The questions is do you help Edmonton with a potential buy out next year to save 7 million in real cash.

(Assuming both players are still useless next year which I essentially think they will be)

Right. But a buyout in Neal’s final year doesn’t cost $15mil and it gives you significant cap space when Johnny Gaudreau goes UFA.