Now the Russian army has to gnaw through enemy defenses in depth, so the Russians had to rethink the meaning and use of the tank on the battlefield because throwing armoured fists forward on today's battlefield does not work.
Izyum. The Russians tried to capture Kamenka with a tank assault. As a result, this tactic completely failed and the special forces cleared the village on foot. The Wagnerians also advanced in small groups of infantry. Neither Popasnaya nor Soledar were taken head-on by a tank attack.
So what should be done? Firstly, abandon the tactics of tank breakthroughs. Secondly, each tank must be assigned a ground gunner. He must ensure coordination between the tank and the infantry. Thirdly, each tank must have its own drone. Finally, artillery. Better have lots of it. And layered air defence.
Now, has NATO been paying attention?
So if the Russian doctrine is changing, what happened in Vuhledar?
Curious what the relationship between Russia and China means, if it will mean newer and better weaponry. We are living in interesting times. I appreciate the news I see here, thank you everyone.
Sir, thank you for responding to my post and noticing I was away. I took a long break because I was out of the country for six months and a little too busy to concern myself with the comings and goings of Calgarypuck.com.
Now, whose Spring offensive am I waiting for?
How was Latvia?
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I was just reading on another forum that Chinese state media is reporting that the deal they offered Zelenskyy and Putin was to let Russia annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, then two Ukraines would be formed similar to North and South Korea. Ukraine east of the Dnieper would be completely demilitarized and subject to Russian foreign policy, and China would provide security assurances. West Ukraine would be free to pursue EU and NATO inclusion.
I won't be providing links because honestly, none of them looked reliable and it could just be BS, but if this is indeed the plan China provided beyond their vague 12-step program, there is no way Ukraine or anyone other than Russia would want to accept that.
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I was just reading on another forum that Chinese state media is reporting that the deal they offered Zelenskyy and Putin was to let Russia annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, then two Ukraines would be formed similar to North and South Korea. Ukraine east of the Dnieper would be completely demilitarized and subject to Russian foreign policy, and China would provide security assurances. West Ukraine would be free to pursue EU and NATO inclusion.
I won't both providing links because honestly, none of them looked reliable and it could just be BS, but if this is indeed the plan China provided beyond their vague 12-step program, there is no way Ukraine or anyone other than Russia would want to accept that.
That would be less of a proposal for real peace and more of a way they can frame the conflict as a proxy war on a neutral nation instead of one nation invading another
Imagine being a Luhansk resident reading that... You are getting favorably compared to North Korea in this scenario. The north koreans have been perpetually starving for like 30 years.
Imagine being a Luhansk resident reading that... You are getting favorably compared to North Korea in this scenario. The north koreans have been perpetually starving for like 30 years.
Ya, but think of the glory days in East Germany, what with the Stasi and all! Who wouldn't want to rat on their neighbours and never have to see them again? What a life that would be!
I was just reading on another forum that Chinese state media is reporting that the deal they offered Zelenskyy and Putin was to let Russia annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, then two Ukraines would be formed similar to North and South Korea. Ukraine east of the Dnieper would be completely demilitarized and subject to Russian foreign policy, and China would provide security assurances. West Ukraine would be free to pursue EU and NATO inclusion.
I won't be providing links because honestly, none of them looked reliable and it could just be BS, but if this is indeed the plan China provided beyond their vague 12-step program, there is no way Ukraine or anyone other than Russia would want to accept that.
#### off China ya bunch of ####s.
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I think this really highlights the difference between China and Russia. China will steal your stuff a little at a time while pretending to be your friend, Russia is like #### it, I’m taking whatever I want, just try and stop me.
Either way, their goal is to steal your stuff.
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I think this really highlights the difference between China and Russia. China will steal your stuff a little at a time while pretending to be your friend, Russia is like #### it, I’m taking whatever I want, just try and stop me.
Either way, their goal is to steal your stuff.
a right couple of ####s
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The Yaroslavl Motor Plant that supplies all the diesel engines for Russian military's GAZ fuel trucks, troop transports, armored cars, and mobile missile launchers, just had a smoking accident. Whole engine plant is burning.
The Yaroslavl Motor Plant that supplies all the diesel engines for Russian military's GAZ fuel trucks, troop transports, armored cars, and mobile missile launchers, just had a smoking accident. Whole engine plant is burning.
Maybe. If the crew isn't buttoned up, they have a better chance of detecting an incoming missile and responding accordingly. If not...
There is a dozen or so Turk Leopard IIs in northern Syria rusting away - taken out by TOW and other ATGMs.
OK, doctrine. Since we are talking about the use of tanks on the battlefield, let's rewind to seven years ago. On 8 Oct 15, Syrian forces launched an attack against the Jihadist forces at the Latamin bridgehead using an armoured fist plan developed by their Russian advisors. They concentrated their armoured forces on the Hama plains with an aim to crush the enemy with one punch. Unfortunately, their plan did not work and the Jihadists routed the Syrian armour using TOW and other ATGM weapons. Even then it was evident the Soviet dogma of "Tank wedges to the English Channel" was outdated.
The Syrians in subsequent years (largely without Russian participation) rethought the meaning of the tank on the battlefield and began to act effectively. In open spaces, the infantry platoon received a tank under its command. The infantrymen went forward, identified enemy firing points and called in their armor to destroy them. The soldiers went ahead of the tanks, which significantly reduced the loss of vehicles on the plains.
In the cities, tactics changed. Each tank had its own “gunner” operating outside of the tank. He operated a drone over a tank in order to provide a broader picture of the battlefield. Such interaction made it possible to break through the enemy's fortifications even in close Arab buildings.
The Syrian experience taught the Russians nothing and, so, fast forward to 24 Feb 22, Russian armoured columns went forward, with practically no connection with the infantrymen. The losses on those days can be judged by numerous AFU videos.
Now the Russian army has to gnaw through enemy defenses in depth, so the Russians had to rethink the meaning and use of the tank on the battlefield because throwing armoured fists forward on today's battlefield does not work.
Izyum. The Russians tried to capture Kamenka with a tank assault. As a result, this tactic completely failed and the special forces cleared the village on foot. The Wagnerians also advanced in small groups of infantry. Neither Popasnaya nor Soledar were taken head-on by a tank attack.
So what should be done? Firstly, abandon the tactics of tank breakthroughs. Secondly, each tank must be assigned a ground gunner. He must ensure coordination between the tank and the infantry. Thirdly, each tank must have its own drone. Finally, artillery. Better have lots of it. And layered air defence.
Now, has NATO been paying attention?
Nato/the US has something no one else has though, complete and utter domination of the air, nothing we have seen so far in any other theatre has really been impacted by air power, the Russian Airforce has turned out to be less effective then the Iraqi, the Rhode Island National Guard could boot shag them, nothing being done in Ukraine or Syria works if a hellfire blows your tank to hell as soon as it moves
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Nato/the US has something no one else has though, complete and utter domination of the air, nothing we have seen so far in any other theatre has really been impacted by air power, the Russian Airforce has turned out to be less effective then the Iraqi, the Rhode Island National Guard could boot shag them, nothing being done in Ukraine or Syria works if a hellfire blows your tank to hell as soon as it moves
Well part of the lack of Russia's air superiority is the huge number of legacy Soviet AA systems left behind in Ukraine after the fall of the wall. Most non-stealth air forces would struggle in that type of AA rich environment without sinking tons of money into extensive pilot Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) training and a mountain of anti-rad missiles.
That it turns out the Russian airforce brass spent most of the training money on vodka and dachas, and whatever anti-rad missiles they had were blown in Syria. Like most things with the Russian military, greed, corruption, and piss poor planning/logistics were a huge problem.
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