Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community
Old 07-30-2021, 12:34 PM   #6501
PaperBagger'14
#1 Goaltender
 
PaperBagger'14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger View Post
Florida says you're wrong.
While I agree with your sentiment, using Florida as a baseline has a lot of flaws. If syphyllitic insanity had its own geographical region, it would be Florida.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilboimcdavid View Post
Eakins wasn't a bad coach, the team just had 2 bad years, they should've been more patient.
PaperBagger'14 is online now  
Old 07-30-2021, 12:42 PM   #6502
opendoor
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall View Post
Florida also stopped at less than 50% vaccinated. The UK is a much better comparable to Canada.
Vaccine breakdown by age is likely a better predictor. Alberta having 2.5x the vaccination rate among teenagers compared to Florida doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of hospitalization when the rates for 65+ year olds are more or less the same. The UK isn't really comparable in that respect, where something like 95% of their older population is fully vaccinated.
opendoor is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 12:45 PM   #6503
RoadGame
Scoring Winger
 
RoadGame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Flames Country!
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer View Post
Why is BoLevi continually allowed to post lies and disinformation here? This has been ongoing for weeks now.
Personally I find it useful tracking this dialogue as it mirrors some of what's going on in my extended family and the various links, rebuttals, etc. people provide are super helpful for advocacy in that arena. Especially that most recent large post about the videos.
RoadGame is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 12:50 PM   #6504
TorqueDog
Franchise Player
 
TorqueDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall View Post
Florida also stopped at less than 50% vaccinated. The UK is a much better comparable to Canada.
Are they, though? The UK's vaccination was overwhelmingly done with AZ, while Canada was largely vaccinated with mRNA vaccines. Also, I thought there was a disparity between the age ranges of their vaccinated population when they relaxed restrictions, while we had opened up vaccination to 12+ well before we relaxed our restrictions.
__________________
If the Flames are playing, GO FLAMES GO.
If the Jets are playing, GO JE-... nm, ғ**ĸ the Jets.
GO FLAMES GO.
TorqueDog is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 01:13 PM   #6505
cgy-sk-import
Farm Team Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Exp:
Default Living with Covid

So, as I complete my shift in thinking... which by the way has become FAR easier since we have started to go back to the office, started to see friends again, started to have kid's sleepovers, kids sports, go on "date nights", etc etc... (it's far easier to see how much we've drifted away from normal).

Anyways... as I complete my shift in thinking - I now wonder, IF Alberta was to start a tracking project right now that tracked symptomatic infection with one of the other coronaviruses that causes the common cold, what would these look like? Would we report "many thousands" of cases per day in the winter - probably! Now, I recognize that Covid has a much higher mortality rate than these other coronaviruses in the unvaccinated, ASIDE FROM KIDS... so, that's why the vaccine has presumably dropped this mortality strike rate significantly, to a point that perhaps this is a fair comparison?? And, to those that haven't been vaccinated (other than the very small % of the population that theoretically cannot handle the vaccine), guess the joke's on you if you get Covid and suffer from a higher mortality rate???

Anyways, just my thinking as of late. You can check my older posts and see that I was one of the most strict followers of the rules and restrictions. Now, I'm actually very happy with Dr. Hinshaw's decision. I'm not a doctor, nor a public health specialist, but I applaud her on taking this approach.
cgy-sk-import is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cgy-sk-import For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 01:20 PM   #6506
cgy-sk-import
Farm Team Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Exp:
Default

Sorry... one more post... as I continue to think that the media has sensationalized the **** out of this. I see this story:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/c...ean/index.html

Now, put this into perspective of what I just posted... "6 passengers were tested and they had Covid - Only 1 of them had minor symptoms and 5 were asymptomatic.". I.E. 1 had COLD LIKE SYMPTOMS (who was vaccinated), and 5 didn't have any symptoms (of which, every single day, every one of us human beings could have something that we don't know and only find out with a test... "Wow doc, I didn't feel sick at all").

Unbelievable that this BS is news. Seriously. But, this is a story on CNN, and this means now that thousands of people will start to debate the safety of cruises when vaccinated "OMG someone caught a cold on a cruise". And, again, I'm using the word "a cold" to represent the illness that MOST OF OUR POPULATION will get now if they are double vaccinated.

So done with this.
cgy-sk-import is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to cgy-sk-import For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 02:03 PM   #6507
Jiri Hrdina
Franchise Player
 
Jiri Hrdina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Exp:
Default

You would prefer the media not cover this? Or only too your liking?
Jiri Hrdina is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 02:12 PM   #6508
CliffFletcher
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Worth reading Hinshaw’s Q&A with the CBC.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6123181

She makes the same point I made about the impracticality of carrying on with symptomatic testing when cold and flu season resumes and people are no longer social distancing. How many people in Calgary alone will be symptomatic with sniffles, a sore throat, cough, etc in a given week in November? 150k? 200k? The impossibility of testing even a fraction of those must be obvious. AHS resources can be much more efficiently deployed.

I’m baffled why other constituencies are persisting with a mandate that will be largely ignored by the public and have little utility. Seems to be political theatre to show that the government is doing something.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze View Post
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
CliffFletcher is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to CliffFletcher For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 02:25 PM   #6509
Mazrim
CP Gamemaster
 
Mazrim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Gary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher View Post
The impossibility of testing even a fraction of those must be obvious.
Alberta was testing over 20,000 people a day during the last two peaks. It's not some impossible, never before seen number.
Mazrim is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 02:27 PM   #6510
opendoor
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Exp:
Default

If they're too cheap to maintain testing infrastructure, at least do something to get affordable rapid tests available to the public. As it stands, starting mid-August anyone who develops non-severe COVID symptoms won't be able to get tested and will have to either needlessly isolate themselves of their own volition or operate under they assumption that they might be potentially exposing everyone they come into contact with to COVID.
opendoor is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to opendoor For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 02:37 PM   #6511
EldrickOnIce
Franchise Player
 
EldrickOnIce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
Exp:
Default

Asymptomatic testing should obviously be scrapped. That and contact tracing. There is no valid reason to do either at this point.
It is poor public health policy to not have free, easily accessible rapid testing available to anyone exhibiting symptoms.
EldrickOnIce is online now  
Old 07-30-2021, 02:39 PM   #6512
Cowboy89
#1 Goaltender
 
Cowboy89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NW Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames0910 View Post
For anyone who is interested, there is a march being planned by doctors for noon today in Calgary / Edmonton / Lethbridge.

Calgary: McDougall Centre
Edmonton: Legislature Building
Lethbridge: 12:30, govt building on 5 Ave south downtown

Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/jvipondmd/status...83150298107906
CTV Article: https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-d...ions-1.5529188
Cowboy89 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Cowboy89 For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 02:51 PM   #6513
Flames0910
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

For something that was hastily scheduled with a callout by Dr Vipond on Twitter the night before, I'd say there was a pretty good turnout. I mean I can only count as many as the fingers and toes that I have, but I'd say these pictures look like more than a dozen people to me

FYI they will be back at it tomorrow and each day for the next two weeks before the testing & tracing measures + isolation requirements are removed.

Calgary:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1421192223282978817

Edmonton:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1421194596726366210

Last edited by Flames0910; 07-30-2021 at 03:01 PM.
Flames0910 is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Flames0910 For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 03:05 PM   #6514
BoLevi
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opendoor View Post
If they're too cheap to maintain testing infrastructure, at least do something to get affordable rapid tests available to the public. As it stands, starting mid-August anyone who develops non-severe COVID symptoms won't be able to get tested and will have to either needlessly isolate themselves of their own volition or operate under they assumption that they might be potentially exposing everyone they come into contact with to COVID.
Rapid testing for respiratory diseases had never been a part of public health policy.
BoLevi is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 03:27 PM   #6515
Torture
Loves Teh Chat!
 
Torture's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi View Post
Rapid testing for respiratory diseases had never been a part of public health policy.
Is that really your argument? Everything has been new for the past year and a half. A global pandemic hasn't been a part of public health either.
Torture is online now  
Old 07-30-2021, 03:43 PM   #6516
Monahammer
Franchise Player
 
Monahammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: St. Albert (Calgary-Jr.)
Exp:
Default

Lol is that why Jack Mintz founded a rapid test kit provision company?
Monahammer is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Monahammer For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 03:44 PM   #6517
BoLevi
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Torture View Post
Is that really your argument? Everything has been new for the past year and a half. A global pandemic hasn't been a part of public health either.
The argument, as presented, was that people who are sick will have to stay home, even if they can't tell if they have covid. Apparently we should be giving people the ability to test themselves when sick, so that they can go out into the public if they don't have covid?

If you're sick, stay home.
BoLevi is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 03:46 PM   #6518
PsYcNeT
Franchise Player
 
PsYcNeT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi View Post
The argument, as presented, was that people who are sick will have to stay home, even if they don't have covid. Apparently we should be giving people the ability to test themselves when sick, so that they can go out into the public if they don't have covid?

If you're sick, stay home.
Tell that to people living paycheque to paycheque, who don't have the luxury of sick days, or working from home, or to tell their boss "yeah I have a fever but basically I feel okay but I shouldn't come in today because I might be infectious".

Unless you're living and working under some other kind of capitalism that doesn't make low-level workers bear the brunt of policy.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm View Post
Settle down there, Temple Grandin.
PsYcNeT is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PsYcNeT For This Useful Post:
Old 07-30-2021, 03:47 PM   #6519
opendoor
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi View Post
The argument, as presented, was that people who are sick will have to stay home, even if they can't tell if they have covid. Apparently we should be giving people the ability to test themselves when sick, so that they can go out into the public if they don't have covid?

If you're sick, stay home.
The Alberta government is saying you don't have to stay home even if you have a confirmed case of COVID, and you think everyone's going to take 2 weeks off work every time they have a runny nose?
opendoor is offline  
Old 07-30-2021, 03:47 PM   #6520
BoLevi
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PsYcNeT View Post
Tell that to people living paycheque to paycheque, who don't have the luxury of sick days, or working from home, or to tell their boss "yeah I have a fever but basically I feel okay but I shouldn't come in today because I might be infectious".

Unless you're living and working under some other kind of capitalism that doesn't make low-level workers bear the brunt of policy.
Do you think people who could potentially have the flu should be able to circulate in the public, but people who potentially have covid should not?
BoLevi is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:40 PM.

Calgary Flames
2021-22




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021