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Old 04-23-2012, 06:50 PM   #3661
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The party that increased spending 40% in their first three years (i.e. before the recession)? The party that formed the highest spending government in Canadian history? The party that cut an economically efficient tax (GST) but sneakily increased income taxes (by playing around with the brackets)? The party that is launching the kind of "war on drugs" that has proven costly and ineffective in the US and Latin America? The party that's destroying a $2 billion (start-up cost) gun registry?

Yeah, they're great for our wallets.
I suspect that a significant portion of that spending was due to the large increases alloted to the Canadian Military which was a disgrace to Canada. I don't mean the military was a disgrace. I mean the amount of money that we have given our military over the last 40 years is a disgrace. If I recall correctly, at the time Canada went into Afghanistan soldiers were going out and buying there own boots!
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:51 PM   #3662
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The former senate page turned attention whore is back

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04...4.html#s896888
She's still not as annoying as Hot Problems.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:53 PM   #3663
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When can we expect to see the results online?
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:56 PM   #3664
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When can we expect to see the results online?
Pretty sure the polls close at 8pm, results will start to trickle in shortly after.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:06 PM   #3665
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So, any chance for epic local election coverage? The Nenshi night was top 5 times on CP for me, that's a high bar that has been set.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #3666
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Fiscally the Liberals were pretty good, of course they pretty much governed the opposite of what they promised to get elected. When we have a track record of majority governments, Harper vs. Cretien, then we can look back and compare. Also, the current Liberal party is a shell of it's former self.
I agree with most of that. Dion was terrible, Rae plays the game well but I think he's still a bit of lefty. I think Ignatieff would've done pretty well as a PM (better than Harper), but was never given a fair shot because voters were still hell-bent on punishing the Liberals for sponsorship and Dion (much like I think Redford is bearing the brunt of Stelmach's mis-steps, yet would probably lead a better government than Smith).

I don't see a need to restrict the comparison to Harper and Chretien majorities... wouldn't Paul Martin's minority government be a fair comparison? He didn't increase spending 40% in that time, did he? Yet Harper was forced to because he had a minority? Doesn't hold up. But if we're going to wait, I think Harper will look worse. It'll take time before we start seeing the impacts of the omni-bus crime bill, for instance, but we can predict that they won't be good based on the experiences of other jurisdictions.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:15 PM   #3667
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The former senate page turned attention whore is back

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04...4.html#s896888
That chick is one demented moron.

She probably got her political education from the back of a cracker jack box.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:16 PM   #3668
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I agree with most of that. Dion was terrible, Rae plays the game well but I think he's still a bit of lefty. I think Ignatieff would've done pretty well as a PM (better than Harper), but was never given a fair shot because voters were still hell-bent on punishing the Liberals for sponsorship and Dion (much like I think Redford is bearing the brunt of Stelmach's mis-steps, yet would probably lead a better government than Smith).

I don't see a need to restrict the comparison to Harper and Chretien majorities... wouldn't Paul Martin's minority government be a fair comparison? He didn't increase spending 40% in that time, did he? Yet Harper was forced to because he had a minority? Doesn't hold up. But if we're going to wait, I think Harper will look worse. It'll take time before we start seeing the impacts of the omni-bus crime bill, for instance, but we can predict that they won't be good based on the experiences of other jurisdictions.
Ignatieff couldn't even control his party let alone run a election, he was a utter disaster, he would have probably been a lousy Prime Minister.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:25 PM   #3669
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I don't see a need to restrict the comparison to Harper and Chretien majorities... wouldn't Paul Martin's minority government be a fair comparison?
That really didn't last too long. The way he was running around at the end promising everything to everybody he could have been the worst, we'll never know.

Edit: Feel free to throw the Trudeau minorities into the equation however.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:28 PM   #3670
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The former senate page turned attention whore is back

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04...4.html#s896888
That's an awesome gimmick she has going. She should hire herself out for parties, weddings, etc as the person with the STOP sign.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:34 PM   #3671
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That's an awesome gimmick she has going. She should hire herself out for parties, weddings, etc as the person with the STOP sign.
I hear Infrastructure Canada has lots of jobs for people who can hold stop signs...
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Unbelievably, I just got a robocall from PC Ken Hughes 26 minutes before polls close. Way to go, Ken.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:47 PM   #3673
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I just got a robocall from the one who's daughter was recorded.

EDIT: That's one reason I'm getting all the calls, apparently I'm getting calls for where I lived and where I used to live, at the very least.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:01 PM   #3674
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He passed on some other senators in waiting during some other rounds of appointments for Alberta though.
No he didn't.

Alberta has 6 Senators and 4 of them were appointed before Harper became PM. The 2 who have been appointed since were elected as "Senators in Waiting".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Alberta_senators
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:03 PM   #3676
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I crossed off all the names and voted for myself. I'll turn this f'n province around into a glorious technocratic republic.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:04 PM   #3677
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Very excited to see this outcome!
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:06 PM   #3678
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Thanks to stupid shaw my tv and home internet are out. Where's the best place to watch results via mobile phone? Other than right here, of course.
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Thanks to stupid shaw my tv and home internet are out. Where's the best place to watch results via mobile phone? Other than right here, of course.
Right here will probably be as up to date as anywhere will be.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:09 PM   #3680
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Just came back from voting in Bankview under the wire at 7:55PM, the box was absolutely full, had to jam my ballots in. I'm thinking turnout was good.
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