2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[blender]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They have a Barzal, we do not. At the end of the day, the team can buy in with the right coach - but if you don't have the skill, you still don't get the reuslts.

Well, Barzal is a fine player, but the Isles are successful because of their team game and attention to detail more than star power.

If you replaced Barzal with an average NHL player I'm not convinced the Isles would be dramatically worse.

I watched all of the Vegas Colorado series, and one thing that really struck me was that Vegas isn't an ultra-talented team. They have a couple of elite players and world-class goaltending, but they win by playing a specific style of team game, and having good depth.
Islanders are very similar in that way.

[blender]

Originally Posted by blankall

Those two offers really aren't that different. I think you are vastly underrating Valimaki's value.

Yes.
And he's also underrating Tkachuk and the 12th overall pick, lol.
That's an amazing package. Not saying it wouldn't necessarily take that to land Eichel, but when was the last time a package as good as Tkachuk, Valimaki and a 12th OA been traded?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by blender

Yes.
And he's also underrating Tkachuk and the 12th overall pick, lol.
That's an amazing package. Not saying it wouldn't necessarily take that to land Eichel, but when was the last time a package as good as Tkachuk, Valimaki and a 12th OA been traded?

He is also a Canucks fan lol

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blender

Yes.
And he's also underrating Tkachuk and the 12th overall pick, lol.
That's an amazing package. Not saying it wouldn't necessarily take that to land Eichel, but when was the last time a package as good as Tkachuk, Valimaki and a 12th OA been traded?

That is a spectacular package and likely better than what Eichel will go for IMO.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Man if the flames landed Eichel and then turned around and signed T.Hall and at a discount I’d laugh so hard. Literally a dream off-season that suddenly is starting to seem and sound slightly less absurd... the anger that would come from the oiler fans would be amazing.

Unless Lucic, Backlund, or Giordano disappear from the roster and create some cap space, Taylor Hall can’t fit here. Not without having zero depth on the lower lines.

[powderjunkie]

Why is Tkachuk staying in BUF a second longer than he has to? I know BUF could flip him at his last TDL, but that comes with risk of injury.

BUF needs to fix goaltending and RD. Their forwards are a mess, too, but they can pin some hopes on Cozens, Mittelstadt, Olofsson, and Jack Quinn.

Move out Reinhart and Ristolainen to further re-tool. Reinhart would probably land a goalie like Korpisalo (1 year to UFA), but they really need stability and a stud RD to help Dahlin/Power reach their potential.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Unless Lucic, Backlund, or Giordano disappear from the roster and create some cap space, Taylor Hall can’t fit here. Not without having zero depth on the lower lines.

Gio is gone in the expansion draft IMO and I could see Hall signing for just a shade over the 6.75 cap of Gio. Again all this talk and all these things aligning is no doubt a unicorn type thing... but it’s fun to dream.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think the ultimate threat for this team is indefinite mediocrity. Acquiring Eichel is risky, but it's actually less risky than continuing as is.

Barring a huge trade or a complete rebuild, the mediocrity is likely to continue. There will be good years and bad years, but overall the team would remain mediocre.

If you get Eichel and it completely backfires, worst case scenario is that you do a complete rebuild. That's still better than mediocrity. Anything is better than mediocrity.

I am with you on disdain for mediocrity. I guess I’m just in disagreement that this team is better than lottery pick bad. If we don’t add to the team as it stands, I think it’s a bottom 10 roster. So why are we adding to that vs continue the course?

[ForeverFlameFan]

When going for Eichel, Tkachuk > Hanifin > Monahan > Valimaki when it comes to value, so I would think that you can either package Tkachuk and Valimaki or Monahan and Hanifin for Eichel, plus a 2021 or 2022 first attached to the two pieces (2022 first would need to be top 10 protected). If it's Tkachuk and Monahan, then I don't think we have to really add a 1st. Maybe a conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st if we make the playoffs but that's about it. Tkachuk is already a very valuable piece.

[SportsJunky]

Tkachuk, Monahan + for Eichel and Skinner?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Tkachuk, Monahan + for Eichel and Skinner?

Gross

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by blender

Well, Barzal is a fine player, but the Isles are successful because of their team game and attention to detail more than star power.

If you replaced Barzal with an average NHL player I'm not convinced the Isles would be dramatically worse.

I watched all of the Vegas Colorado series, and one thing that really struck me was that Vegas isn't an ultra-talented team. They have a couple of elite players and world-class goaltending, but they win by playing a specific style of team game, and having good depth.
Islanders are very similar in that way.

Vegas is crazy talented. Top to bottom there may not be a team with more talent outside Tampa.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gross

I know but that was my point. Eat a ####ty contract to help get the deal done.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I agree with most of you said, but I think people get confused with Matthew Tkachuk. He’s clearly not fast, but he compensates by being really strong with the puck and I think that’s almost equally as important as being quick like Gaudreau. I think Tkachuk has the hockey IQ and elite play below the hashmarks to be a play driver. He can drive the cycle game and that’s an element the team would miss without him.

Of course we'd miss the guy however Mange and Dube are pretty good at cycling the puck too.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Gio is gone in the expansion draft IMO and I could see Hall signing for just a shade over the 6.75 cap of Gio. Again all this talk and all these things aligning is no doubt a unicorn type thing... but it’s fun to dream.

As I continue to hear more and more Darryl Sutter quotes, the more I’m convinced Gio stays. Based on the usage, the comments Darryl made during the season and at the end of the season, I just can’t imagine Sutter being ok with icing Chris Tanev and a pile of under 25 defensemen. He practically blamed the failed season on the young defensemen on the team. These are not the types of responses or actions from a man who wants to see his top defenseman lost to Seattle.

I actually can foresee a pairing of Gio-Tanev as the #1 pair next season with Gio leading the team in average ice time. That’s my prediction. Might not be a popular opinion here, but the evidence seems to lean that direction.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I know but that was my point. Eat a ####ty contract to help get the deal done.

So why would we want to eat the *****iest contract in the league?

[SportsJunky]

To get Eichel, silly.

Just throwing out the idea.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Of course we'd miss the guy however Mange and Dube are pretty good at cycling the puck too.

Mange, yes. But Dube? I don’t think so. He played most of his season with Tkachuk and Lindholm and they looked awful as the first line. So many one and dones. Once Gaudreau took over Dube’s spot, that line thrived.

[blender]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Vegas is crazy talented. Top to bottom there may not be a team with more talent outside Tampa.

Disagree.
Colorado has more high-end to elite talent for sure. Carolina and Florida also come to mind.
Toronto's big 4 is a very good group.

If you want to talk elite talent, Vegas has Stone, Pietrangelo...anyone else?
What Vegas does have is a lot of depth and quality players through the lineup. They have size and can skate.
Great team, no doubt, but in my mind they are the counterpoint to the argument that you need to be loaded with elite talent to win.
But then again, they haven't won anything yet, and obviously haven't faced the Lightning, so we shall see.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

To get Eichel, silly.

Just throwing out the idea.

It's just a recipe for disaster. If I wanted to pay 9m to a winger, then it would be Gaudreau or Tkachuk, not Skinner.