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Old 01-11-2023, 11:47 AM   #8501
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I would be okay with this type of add. Drouin or Dandonov are the type of rentals I want the Flames chasing. Not Freddie Modin level of poor but letís not burn through more picks in the first 2 rounds with this current group the way they are playing.
Ugh no interest in Drouin.
He's awful.
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:51 AM   #8502
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there still might be some potential to deal Markstrom if it came to it...
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:54 AM   #8503
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Markstrom lost me forever in the Edmonton series last year.
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:55 AM   #8504
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How much would it cost us in assets to even get someone to take Markstrom and his contract at this point?
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:55 AM   #8505
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How much would it cost us in assets to even get someone to take Markstrom and his contract at this point?
If there is an opportunity it is in the off-season. That's when the game of "goalie musical chairs" is played.
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:56 AM   #8506
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Tough to see how the Flames can make it work. Interesting to see Konecny breakout after a couple of down years but better now playing for Torts. Leads me to believe he would be a great Sutter player.

I figure it would need to be heavily futures based and I would be hesitant to do it. I think it is wishful thinking but as an overall fit it would be amazing
Mangiapane+ for Konecny

If the plus is Coronato and a 1st, it is still a net win for the Flames to obtain a legitimate top6 winger that still signed for two years @ $5M AAV
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:11 PM   #8507
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Mangiapane+ for Konecny

If the plus is Coronato and a 1st, it is still a net win for the Flames to obtain a legitimate top6 winger that still signed for two years @ $5M AAV
No thanks. I am not interested in a sell low move for Mangiapane.

This team needs to add a top 6 winger but moving out Mangiapane + some highly valuable futures is not the way to do it in my opinion.
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I am not in favour of dealing this upcoming draft’s 1st round pick at all. Average team, at best, in what looks to be a strong and deep draft. If the flames continue this season teetering around the wildcard spot, heck, I’d be happy if they added picks.
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:26 PM   #8509
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Tree seems high on this year's draft and thinks it has a lot of depth.
The 2024 draft doesn't seem to be nearly as good, at the top, and overall.
I think you'll see 2024 1sts moved at the deadline but 2023 1sts will be hard to get.
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:28 PM   #8510
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No thanks. I am not interested in a sell low move for Mangiapane.

This team needs to add a top 6 winger but moving out Mangiapane + some highly valuable futures is not the way to do it in my opinion.
Sell low??? You thinking getting Konency is low??? LOL
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:47 PM   #8511
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Why would the Flyers part with their best forward? Torts loves him so I can't see why the Flyers would even entertain trading him unless the offer was astronomical.
Ya, from everything I have heard recently he is untouchable. I still would like to see us take a chance on Duclair. Can probably be had at a low cost and has instant chemistry with Huby.
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Old 01-11-2023, 12:49 PM   #8512
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Mangiapane+ for Konecny

If the plus is Coronato and a 1st, it is still a net win for the Flames to obtain a legitimate top6 winger that still signed for two years @ $5M AAV
That is absolutely brutal for the Flames. This year Konecny is last year Mangiapane, this year Mangiapane is last years Konecny. So you want to move deck chairs and add our best forward prospect and a 1st? Jesus.....
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Old 01-11-2023, 01:02 PM   #8513
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I personally don't think there's a single GM in the league who would risk trading for Markstrom's contract right now without a big add from us to dump it.

Honestly feel as though we'd be better served with a shooter tutor most nights.
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Old 01-11-2023, 01:16 PM   #8514
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Sell low??? You thinking getting Konency is low??? LOL
Did you not see the + to Mangiapane was Coronato and our 23 1st rounder?

I am thinking Mangiapane+1st+Coronato for Konecny is selling low. Mangiapane had 35 goals last year Konecny had 16

Konecny is a beast right now 35 games into the season and Mangiapane is struggling. Definition of a sell low and buy high scenario
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I would say no to making any trades involving picks and prospects at this time. Team has not showed enough for us to take away from our future.

Adding another body will just cause more of a mess for a team trying to develop chemistry. We also have not given our own players a shot who knows what they can produce.
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Old 01-11-2023, 01:19 PM   #8516
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Mangiapane+ for Konecny

If the plus is Coronato and a 1st, it is still a net win for the Flames to obtain a legitimate top6 winger that still signed for two years @ $5M AAV
Is that you Ken? Kenny Holland? Come on. You're not fooling anyone Ken.
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Did you not see the + to Mangiapane was Coronato and our 23 1st rounder?

I am thinking Mangiapane+1st+Coronato for Konecny is selling low. Mangiapane had 35 goals last year Konecny had 16

Konecny is a beast right now 35 games into the season and Mangiapane is struggling. Definition of a sell low and buy high scenario
Konecny isn't a flash in the pan. He's led that terrible Philly squad in scoring in two of the last three seasons.

He is also a year younger than Mangiapane, signed for another two years at a lower cap hit than Mangiapane, he can carry the puck/lead the transition, and unlike Mangiapane, he doesn't rely on others to generate offense.

If Treliving's mandate is to win the cup right now, he's going to have to "spend money to make money" by ponying up a big package for someone good that can fit within Sutter's system and the cap situation.
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Sure but how much of an upgrade is he truly - small sample sizes can be deceiving.

Mangiapane has 16 points at 5v5 this year, Konecny has 22. Coronato and a 1st is not worth that minimal upgrade.

The difference in production this year is all PP. Konecny has 11 points on the top unit, Mangiapane 1 point on the second unit here.

If you go longer term over the past three seasons then Mangiapane has 46 goals to Konecny's 29 at 5v5, and points are pretty equal at 79 for Mangiapane and 84 for Konecny.

I would love to add Konecny, but if the cost is Mangiapane+1st+Coronato then no way in hell do you make that trade. It's probably a laterial move and you give up two premium assets on top of that.
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Konecny isn't a flash in the pan. He's led that terrible Philly squad in scoring in two of the last three seasons.

He is also a year younger than Mangiapane, signed for another two years at a lower cap hit than Mangiapane, he can carry the puck/lead the transition, and unlike Mangiapane, he doesn't rely on others to generate offense.

If Treliving's mandate is to win the cup right now, he's going to have to "spend money to make money" by ponying up a big package for someone good that can fit within Sutter's system and the cap situation.
He is less than a year younger and makes 300k less for the same remaining term. He is not a top prospect and 1st in a deep draft better. You talk like Mangiapane got his 35 playing with Gaudreau or something. He is typically the top offensive player on his line.

A 1st+Coronato is a massive add for a mild upgrade
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I thought it was Coronato OR a first
certainly not both

Mangiapane looks like a disaster though, he probably has negative value
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