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View Poll Results: Total AAV value? Ferland+Bennett+Lazar+Kulak
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3-4M
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0.71% |
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4-5M
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4.24% |
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5-6M
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61 |
21.55% |
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6-7M
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111 |
39.22% |
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7-8M
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71 |
25.09% |
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8-9M
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18 |
6.36% |
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9-10M
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5 |
1.77% |
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10M+
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1.06% |
07-03-2017, 02:38 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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age 23 season: 78 games, 5 goals + 10 assists = 15 points, 41 PIM, -4
age 24 season: 78 games, 16 goals + 18 goals = 34 points, 54 PIM, +10
age 23 season: 71 games, 4 goals + 14 assists = 18 points, 45 PIM, -15
age 24 season: 76 games, 15 goals + 10 assists = 25 points, 50 PIM, -1
Player A is Lance Bouma. Player B is Micheal Ferland. Bouma then of course signed for 3 years and a 2.2m AAV.
Last edited by devo22; 07-03-2017 at 02:42 PM.
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07-03-2017, 02:40 PM
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#22
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Paradise Island, Bahamas
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What about Kulak? He needs to be counted. Decent chance he's number 6
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07-03-2017, 02:42 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Kulak might come in anywhere between $700K and $900K for a 2 year deal IMO.
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07-03-2017, 02:45 PM
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#24
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
age 23 season: 78 games, 5 goals + 10 assists = 15 points, 41 PIM, -4
age 24 season: 78 games, 16 goals + 18 goals = 34 points, 54 PIM, -6
age 23 season: 71 games, 4 goals + 14 assists = 18 points, 45 PIM, -15
age 24 season: 76 games, 15 goals + 10 assists = 25 points, 50 PIM, -1
Player A is Lance Bouma. Player B is Micheal Ferland. Bouma then of course signed for 3 years and a 2.2m AAV.
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I think everybody knew Bouma wasn't going to be able to repeat those offensive numbers.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=16499
The last time he hit 15 goals in a season was for the Wainwright Polar Kings Midget AA when he was 15/16 years old.
Whereas Ferland hit 47 goals in the WHL.
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07-03-2017, 02:49 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Whereas Ferland hit 47 goals in the WHL.
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which was also the last time he scored more than 15 
I agree with your point though. Just found it funny how eerily similar those numbers are at the same age.
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07-03-2017, 02:54 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
age 23 season: 78 games, 5 goals + 10 assists = 15 points, 41 PIM, -4
age 24 season: 78 games, 16 goals + 18 goals = 34 points, 54 PIM, +10
age 23 season: 71 games, 4 goals + 14 assists = 18 points, 45 PIM, -15
age 24 season: 76 games, 15 goals + 10 assists = 25 points, 50 PIM, -1
Player A is Lance Bouma. Player B is Micheal Ferland. Bouma then of course signed for 3 years and a 2.2m AAV.
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Yup, that's why I think it's very unlikely Treliving goes over 2 for Ferland.
Kulak will probably take less money to get a one-way deal. I could see him coming in around $750,000.
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07-03-2017, 02:58 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
age 23 season: 78 games, 5 goals + 10 assists = 15 points, 41 PIM, -4
age 24 season: 78 games, 16 goals + 18 goals = 34 points, 54 PIM, +10
age 23 season: 71 games, 4 goals + 14 assists = 18 points, 45 PIM, -15
age 24 season: 76 games, 15 goals + 10 assists = 25 points, 50 PIM, -1
Player A is Lance Bouma. Player B is Micheal Ferland. Bouma then of course signed for 3 years and a 2.2m AAV.
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Ferland is SO much better than Bouma.
There should be no surprise that Lance can't repeat that magical 2014-15 season and won't ever come close to doing that again in the NHL.
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07-03-2017, 02:58 PM
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#28
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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2+2.75+.9+.9
6.35 total
(2 years, 2 years, 1 year, 1 year)
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07-03-2017, 02:59 PM
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#29
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
which was also the last time he scored more than 15 |
True, though the following season he split his time amongst 4 different teams (and 3 different leagues). He scored at a 22 goal pace with the Blades before getting injured.
He also only played 25 games due to injury the following year in the AHL (on a 18 goal pace), and 32 games in the AHL the year after that (16 goal pace), also playing the NHL.
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07-03-2017, 03:22 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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Ferland @ 2
Bennet @ 1.5
Lazar @ 1.0
Kulak @ 1.0
5.5, theres no way bennett should get paid more then Ferland at least for next year.
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07-03-2017, 03:24 PM
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#31
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First Line Centre
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Bennett on a two year deal is dangerous.
No reason to have him and Tkachuk have to get raises at the same time.
Go as long as you can imo. He'll be worth it
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07-03-2017, 03:30 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
which was also the last time he scored more than 15
I agree with your point though. Just found it funny how eerily similar those numbers are at the same age. |
Are those numbers that similar though? 36% better points wise for Bouma in the 2nd year before the pay day. If points are the biggest factor contributing to pay day and you do a comparable 3 year contract by reducing 36% puts Ferland's contract below 1.5M AAV.
I don't expect Ferland to come in that low for a number of reasons, but I'm guessing it won't be 3 years and it will be for less AAV than Bouma was.
Last edited by Cleveland Steam Whistle; 07-03-2017 at 03:32 PM.
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07-03-2017, 03:31 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DJones
Bennett on a two year deal is dangerous.
No reason to have him and Tkachuk have to get raises at the same time.
Go as long as you can imo. He'll be worth it
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Signing Bennett to an 8 year deal as an RFA is comparable to the extensions that Scheifele (8 yrs, $6.125M AAV), Tarasenko (8 , $7.5M), Mackinnon (7, $6.3M), Monahan (7, $6.375M), and Forsberg (6, $6M) signed. I'm not sure Bennett is worth a $6M contract at this point.
Consider the closest to home comparable:
Monahan before his extension: 237 GP 80 G 79A 159P 38PIM Playoffs 11 GP 3 G 3A 6P 2 PIM
Bennett before his extension: 159 GP 31 G 32A 63P 112PIM Playoffs 15 GP 5G 1 A 6P 12 PIM
The Flames chose to burn year 1 of Bennett's ELC for the playoffs in 14-15, so the GP numbers don't quite line up of course. But Bennett's per game scoring stats are a fair bit lower than Monahan's.
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 07-03-2017 at 03:39 PM.
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07-03-2017, 03:35 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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I'm thinking Ferland gets 2.5-3.
Bennett at 3.
Lazar at 1.5
Kulak at 1.
So 8-8.5 total.
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07-03-2017, 03:35 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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bennett will be an interesting case...
i think he gets a "backlund prove it" type of contract... so 2.5-3 million for 2 years max.
no way his agent goes for a longer term and there's no way the flames are paying him a ton of money over a 6 year term...
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07-03-2017, 03:36 PM
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#36
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Signing Bennett to an 8 year deal as an RFA is comparable to the extensions that Scheifele (8 yrs, $6.125M AAV), Tarasenko (8 , $7.5M), Mackinnon (7, $6.3M), Monahan (7, $6.375M), and Forsberg (6, $6M) signed. I'm not sure Bennett is worth a $6M contract at this point.
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He isn't
A Klefbom contract would be a steal longterm though.
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07-03-2017, 03:37 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Bennett scored 26 points last year. That's only two more than Alex Chiasson. I'm still high on Bennett's potential but I don't think he's earned a cent more than $2mil/year. I think he winds up with $2.5mil AAV for 3 years though. I think Ferland comes in between $1.5m-$2.0m AAV for three years and Lazar around $1.0m AAV for two years.
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07-03-2017, 04:15 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Bennett - $2.75 x 2
Ferland - $2.5 x 3
Lazar - $800 x 1
Kulak - $1.0 x1
Just a hair over $7M
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07-03-2017, 04:18 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
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I will be fine if Bennett agrees to a $4mil x 5yr deal.
And:
Ferland - $2mil x 3
Lazar - $1.5mil x 2
Kulak -$1.1mil x 2
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07-03-2017, 04:40 PM
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#40
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#1 Goaltender
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Bennett: 3 x 3 (2.0, 3.0, 4.0)
Ferland: 2.66 x 4
Lazar: 1.33 x 2
Kulak: 2 way contract; 1m
Total: 8m
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