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Old 09-06-2017, 03:17 PM   #1
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Icon48 New rule adds pressure on NHL coaches asking for offside challenge

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The NHL is making a very interesting rule change for the 2017-18 season, introducing a harsher penalty for one particular video review.

From now on, a failed offside challenge will result in a two-minute penalty against the club asking for the review. It’s a potentially powerful infraction. Can you imagine a team in a tight game giving up a goal it thought was offside, losing the challenge, then having to withstand an immediate power-play opportunity? It’s going to make bench bosses much more wary — and ratchet up the pressure on video coaches.

Incorrect goaltender interference reviews stay the same — the loss of your timeout. That’s probably a wise decision, since there’s much more grey area than with an offside call.

Another adjustment that will have strategic impact. Teams are no longer able to call timeout after icing the puck. The other club can still do so if it wishes, but tired defenders won’t be able to ask for the extra rest.
Glad to see the change, nothing like a game killer for a 10 min offside review.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/n...ide-challenge/
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:21 PM   #2
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I like the coach's challenge, and I like the addition of the 2 minute penalty if you are wrong. Coaches seem to toss it out a 'Hail Mary' way too often, or even use is as an extended timeout. This gives them an incentive to think twice before using it, while at the same time giving them the option of making a challenge if they are certain they are right.

The NHL got this one right.

However I'm not a fan of no timeouts if you ice the puck. You only get 1 timeout per game. Why take that away? The coach should be able to use that whenever he wants.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:24 PM   #3
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Good, been saying this for a long time.

Personally I think a coach should be able to challenge any call, goal or non goal with the 2 minute penalty if they're wrong.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:28 PM   #4
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I'm okay with this with the caveat that the goddamned video review equipment has to be better. It has to be better.

Having a ref being booed by 20,000 people watching the jumbotron while trying to determine an offside on some crappy decade-old iPad is nonsense.

Take it upstairs, have a video review ref look at it and make the call. Take the call away from the refs on the ice.

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Old 09-06-2017, 03:30 PM   #5
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The offside challenge causes linesmen to get the call wrong far more often (now they err on the side of blowing the whistle, resulting in way more incorrect stoppages). When it comes up it kills the game too. It's the worst rule ever implemented in the NHL.

This is a small improvement. Still a brutal rule though.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:35 PM   #6
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I like all three tweaks.

The offside hailmary was just used as a 5 minute timeout instead of a 30 sec timeout.

No time out on icing. No problem there either.

The face off for playing the puck with a high stick on a PP moving outside the attack zone in neutral zone instead of back in your end. No problem there either.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:35 PM   #7
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I wonder if the wideman effect will still be in play? I don't think we won one challenge last year. Let us hope for a strong penalty kill!
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:43 PM   #8
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One step closer to admitting the whole thing was a dumb idea and getting rid of it entirely.

Not sure about the no time-outs on icing calls though. Isn't that like 90% of the time the time-out gets used, when the team is gassed near the end of the game and makes a dumb icing?
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:47 PM   #9
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This isn't good for Gulutzan and the Flames.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:51 PM   #10
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Yes because we need more penalties in the game... just get rid of it.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:53 PM   #11
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The no change after icing rules have always been dumb, how is a team suppose to counter-attack when they're tired?
Don't we want to see goals off the rush?

The famous Lemieux goal to win the 87 Canada Cup never happens now.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:58 PM   #12
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They should use whatever mapping system tennis uses for their challenges - do a CGI map of the rink. Have the ability to wipe away everything but the position of the puck in relation to Player X's skate.

Challenges in tennis take 2 seconds. Everyone immediately knows if the ball is in or out, and nobody argues about it after.

Put that on the blue line or get rid of these stupid challenges altogether.

The addition of this delay of game penalty is long overdue.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:00 PM   #13
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Good news for Johnny Hockey.

Looks like the league is *erm* "cracking down" on stick work to the hands and arms.

http://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/905546404633903104
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I wonder if the wideman effect will still be in play? I don't think we won one challenge last year. Let us hope for a strong penalty kill!
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This isn't good for Gulutzan and the Flames.
I don't think it matters. Mike Sullivan had a lower success rate last season.

http://morehockeystats.com/coaches/challenge
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Good news for Johnny Hockey.

Looks like the league is *erm* "cracking down" on stick work to the hands and arms.

http://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/905546404633903104
They need to call every hand slash, not just the "Forceful-powerful chop". That way players will stop slashing hands and it will most likely lead to more creative plays and high scoring games.
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A decent idea and one which should have the video for offside working more as intended, I.e., for egregious errors.

I still believe the refs are too proud to change other decisions on review on the iPad and that the situation room in Toronto sticks up for their ref buds way more than they should. As a fan, I expect some errors from the refs during live play; the game is so fast and messy when around the net. What I don't expect is to see a dodgy call reviewed and then them still make the wrong decision. It's a tool to help, not something to embarrass them.
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You need a two week ban for getting the thread off topic. At least that is how I understand the rules. And to say that whole situation didn't contribute to the Flames being on the unfair end of calls more often than not would be ignorant.
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I'm okay with this with the caveat that the goddamned video review equipment has to be better. It has to be better.
It won't be, and I'm actually fine with that. The single dumbest part of the new video review rules was how often we wasted 10 minutes time to overturn goals because a guy was off-side by the width of two pubic hairs. This, in a league that desperately wants to increase scoring.

Since we know the referees will still get it wrong from time to time, the coaches will as well. And that should cut way down on these types of challenges. Hopefully to bring the rule closer to what was actually intended: a way to fix blatant mistakes.
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